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#11
03-21-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
No read = value bet (and call a raise)
You're betting the flop and turn because you're assuming to have the best hand. Why does this river blank make you think otherwise? With no read on Villian this is a clear value bet. He may fold and that's alright. He will likely call with hands that are behind (smaller pairs, Ace-high). He will also likely call with hands that are ahead. QQ,JJ fear the king, and AA, KK, two-pair or better would've already raised - if they are going to raise at all. I wouldn't fear getting raised on the river and if he did it would seem so weird that I wouldn't feel bad about calling. It's not worth trying to induce a bluff because he's been passive so far - he's not likely going to take a stab on the river now. IMO checking is missing a bet. 
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#12
03-21-2005, 05:12 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
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[ QUOTE ] Do I have to check? [/ QUOTE ] Does betting this board have any value vs a tight opponent? (11/0/0 in PT) [/ QUOTE ] I think it's close. I don't think that you'll see a tight player holding a better hand than yours after playing this passively the whole way through.
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#14
03-21-2005, 05:21 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
I'd be playing exactly this passively if I had KJ, KTo, K9s-K7s. I don't like a bet out here, except for a flush draw on the turn and a retarded straight draw I don't see at all there's not much to it. He didn't have odds to chase his 5-outer if he was chasing, and a tight player's folding it on the river if he was making loose calls. Lots of bluff potential on the board, but not a hell of a lot more.
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#15
03-21-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
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[ QUOTE ] Do I have to check? [/ QUOTE ] Does betting this board have any value vs a tight opponent? (11/0/0 in PT) [/ QUOTE ] How many hands is this read after? 0 AAF is tough to believe, and I would definitely bet this river if he's that passive.
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#17
03-21-2005, 05:54 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
The lead/fold line here is far and away the best option against most players. The problem with checking against a typical player is that he will bet a king or a straight behind you (and maybe do some bluffing) but he will check something like 8x or 66 back. But when you bet your TT for value, he will call with these hands hoping that you have AQ or AJ.
The other problem with checking is that it is hard to predict what the correct move is on your part should he bet (call or fold). If he uses proper bluffing frequency (roughly 10% of the time he bets the river) then it doesn't matter what you do and you are much better off betting in the 1st place. However if the villian will bluff like 33% of time that he is betting, it now becomes more profitable to check and call. And if the villian never bluffs then it is best to check and fold. But against a default "tight player" I think that betting will be the best option here. Brad
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#18
03-21-2005, 06:10 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
Do you think betting is best only because you won't know what to do if you check and he bets?
It seems to me that against this tight an tight opponent a bet has virtually no value. If he calls the river bet how often do you think you're winning?
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#19
03-21-2005, 06:28 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
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If you bet you don't give him a chance to bluff. [/ QUOTE ] If he do not have the guts to raise as a bluff. I could do that sometimes... And if he has then Here lose the whole pot (if he fold)...
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#20
03-21-2005, 06:58 PM
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Re: 1010 hand HU vs a tight player
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Why would you be betting into a tight passive player? That rationale makes no sense. [/ QUOTE ] Because I've had more than enough tight passive players call me down with a pair of 22-99 or ace high.
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