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#11
03-08-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: PFR?!
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If you're doing this 1 of of 100 times (no math involved here) that might be fine. If you're making this play with any consistency, I think you're going to be in trouble. There's not a good reason to be raising a small pair with a 12% chance to get trips...there's no equity here. If you don't hit a set on the flop, your hand's over. [/ QUOTE ] The pots giving him 5-1 to hit his set. 1 )The odds of hitting the set by the turn are close to that. 2) He'll win without improving some of the time. (btw if anyone wants to post a hand where he raised on button with a small pp and bet the flop after not hitting - pleze do so) 3) He'll get more action when he does hit as long as an ace doesn't spike. 
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#13
03-08-2005, 05:12 PM
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Re: PFR?!
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I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous....might as well raise with 22 while you're at it. [/ QUOTE ] OK - next time I will. I think you can make this play with any pocket pair 22+. I think I might limp/raise 50/50 with 22-55 and limp/raise 66-99 about 20/80 and raise 1010+ 100%. I will post the 22 hand once it happens for your comments. I am starting to consider this standard - is that so wrong?
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#14
03-08-2005, 05:19 PM
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Re: 66 raises limpers from the Button
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[ QUOTE ] I would bet the river for value. [/ QUOTE ] Two players called 2 cold on 2 streets. This is a bad river bet. (Marginal at best) Krishan [/ QUOTE ] I dont disagree that a flush is possible, but is the frequency you lose two bets vs the flush worth more than the calls you get the times you are best and do value bet? ultimately it depends on some pretty good assumptions and the math gets a bit involved.
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#15
03-08-2005, 05:19 PM
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Re: PFR?!
According to my calculations, you are 6.5-1 to hit by the turn. So if it will get you the free card, then it's worth it. My problem with the raise is that it's value depends on if your flop play is such that you know when you should bet a missed flop, and when you should take the free card.
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#17
03-08-2005, 05:26 PM
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Re: 66 raises limpers from the Button
Hey, just giving my 2 cents.
Pre flop- I think its just a call w/ 66 from any position unless strategies in 1/2 and 2/4 are different Flop- Id just call and hope for the over call on it Turn- Raise is fine River- Check seems good because if they hit the flush they would check it to the betters to raise Just my thoughts tell me what you think -Andrew
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#19
03-08-2005, 05:48 PM
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Re: PFR?!
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[ QUOTE ] I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous....might as well raise with 22 while you're at it. [/ QUOTE ] OK - next time I will. I think you can make this play with any pocket pair 22+. I think I might limp/raise 50/50 with 22-55 and limp/raise 66-99 about 20/80 and raise 1010+ 100%. I will post the 22 hand once it happens for your comments. I am starting to consider this standard - is that so wrong? [/ QUOTE ] It's going to be table dependent, situation dependent. Just because you have the button, I would take that as leave to raise all my tweener/baby pairs. That being said - I think with 5 limpers, it's "ok". It's not standard, but it's also not out of the ordinary. The comment about "mine as well raise with 22" is irrelevant. I think the poster that made the comment realizes that were not playing because we have 66 or 22, but were building a pot for *IF* we hit a set - and the strength of the set isn't as important compared to the strentgh of top pair. Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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#20
03-08-2005, 05:50 PM
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Re: PFR?!
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[ QUOTE ] I will post the 22 hand once it happens for your comments. [/ QUOTE ] Let me save you the trouble. Here are my comments: This is ridiculous. You might as well raise with 66 while you're at it. [/ QUOTE ] While it is not standard, it is not ridiculous either. You're not losing much by raising...worst case scenario, the flop comes w/3 overcards, you fold to any action...raising in these spots is no big deal.
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