Take their money now or wait for c/r turn?

[brettbrettr]

Not at all. But I don't see the point in passing up an edge now when you're likely ahead.

[pokerkai]

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Sounds pretty monsters under the bed to me.

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my thoughts exactly...passing up a pretty big value raise for fear of a 1/6 flush draw (that may or may not be out there) just seems weak.

[Jake (The Snake)]

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OK..before someone says "Raise PF"...I didn't want to because of all the limpers in this hand and my position (Page 73 footnotes of SSHE).


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Read it again. Raise preflop.

[einbert]

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Sounds pretty monsters under the bed to me.

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my thoughts exactly...passing up a pretty big value raise for fear of a 1/6 flush draw (that may or may not be out there) just seems weak.

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What I'm advocating is passing up a small value raise for fear of a 1/3 flush draw in favor of a BIGGER value raise against a 1/6 flush draw. But you do have a significant equity edge so you are getting value out of raising. You have a lot more equity on fourth street when a nondiamond comes, and the bets are double the size, thus my reasoning.

[mr pink]

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raise preflop, limping on the button here is silly.

raise the flop, get the money in now while you're ahead. a lot of these guys are planning on folding to any turn bets but will call now while they've already put a bet in the pot.

[brettbrettr]

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Sounds pretty monsters under the bed to me.

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my thoughts exactly...passing up a pretty big value raise for fear of a 1/6 flush draw (that may or may not be out there) just seems weak.

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What I'm advocating is passing up a small value raise for fear of a 1/3 flush draw in favor of a BIGGER value raise against a 1/6 flush draw. But you do have a significant equity edge so you are getting value out of raising. You have a lot more equity on fourth street when a nondiamond comes, and the bets are double the size, thus my reasoning.

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Why are you taking an either or approach? You can raise on the flop and the river.

[einbert]

I think it's either-or because low-limit players (and possibly poker players in general) have a tendency to check to the raiser on the previous round.

So if you raise here you're probably only going to get in 1BB on the turn when you're ahead and you'll probably get C/Red when you're behind so you'll have to put in 2BB when you're behind. If you don't raise the flop it's more likely you'll be bet into on a blank turn and you can raise charging a flush draw more to draw out on you when their odds are weaker.

Since you have the BDFD, raising now is probably fine too. I'm just not sure it's optimal. It also depends on how aggressive the flop bettor is (how likely he is to bet the turn on a blank) and how tricky the other players are (how likely they are to check/raise a flush on the turn as opposed to betting out with it).

[bernie]

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But I don't see the point in passing up an edge now when you're likely ahead.

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Because you're passing up on this smaller edge so you might take advantage of a much bigger edge on a bigger bet street where the odds of your opponents drawing out are longer? Effectively, costing them more money in the longrun to hit their hands?

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[bernie]

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my thoughts exactly...passing up a pretty big value raise for fear of a 1/6 flush draw (that may or may not be out there) just seems weak.

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Is that the only draw possible here? What other reasonable draw on this flop is really making a mistake calling getting 12-1, + implieds, when you raise this flop?

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[bernie]

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raise the flop. there's no guarantee you'll get bet into on the turn,

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By this reasoning, you'd never go for a c/r because there's no guarantee someone will bet in LP.

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you'll be charging a flush draw as much as possible.


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Actually, you'd be helping the flush draw make money on this flop.

You're also not charging him as much as possible.

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