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Old 02-10-2005, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: JJ fold

I just don't understand the PF cap. UTG seems to be a tight player and most likely is 3-betting with AA-QQ and AK. MP1 is loose but aggressive PF and here makes a very unusual call of 3-cold (AA-22???, Ax?). I can understand capping it if you're putting UTG on AK and MP1 on a smaller pair. If you're going to make this read and cap PF then don't you need to see this hand at least a round further on this board? Wouldn't you cap the flop to drive out UTG... bet the turn and fold to a raise?
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Old 02-10-2005, 01:31 PM
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What was your reasoning behing capping it PF?

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I think you're overly harsh here.

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Old 02-10-2005, 02:14 PM
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What was your reasoning behing capping it PF?

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I think you're overly harsh here. While it is probably better to cap preflop I doubt there's much in it. I can't exactly see UTG+1 3 betting with 99.

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I can.

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Old 02-10-2005, 02:18 PM
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What was your reasoning behing capping it PF?

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Are you serious?

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I think you're overly harsh here. While it is probably better to cap preflop I doubt there's much in it. I can't exactly see UTG+1 3 betting with 99.

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He'd be making a very dubious play.
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Old 02-10-2005, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: JJ fold

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What was your reasoning behing capping it PF?

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I think you're overly harsh here. While it is probably better to cap preflop I doubt there's much in it. I can't exactly see UTG+1 3 betting with 99.

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I don't understand why everybody is so scared to cap Jacks nowadays. A player like UTG+1 who I described as a 17/8 player (TAG) will almost always 3-bet AK here. with the presesnce of a loose caller behind him, this is an EASY cap.

UTG+1's range of hands
AK - 16 combos
AA - 6 combos
KK - 6 combos
QQ - 6 combos
JJ - 1 combo
TT - 6 combos

he'll also occasionally 3-bet a hand like AQ. even if he never 3-bets AQ or TT, you're still only a slitht dog against his range of hands, but the presense of a loose coldcaller gives you enough overlay to make the cap +EV.
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Old 02-10-2005, 02:41 PM
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Yes, but does that give reason to act like an ass to a new poster looking to learn?
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Old 02-10-2005, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: JJ fold

i agree that you were probably a bit harsh. Kiss and make up.

Cappping jacks pf seems ultra-reasonable if you are willing to make these kind of laydowns.

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Old 02-10-2005, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: JJ fold

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What was your reasoning behing capping it PF?

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I think you're overly harsh here. While it is probably better to cap preflop I doubt there's much in it. I can't exactly see UTG+1 3 betting with 99.

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I can.

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He'd be making a very dubious play.

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I'm not saying he wouldn't be making a dubious play. I'm saying that many players in the 15, even those with decent/bordering on passive preflop stats 3-bet 99 here.

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Old 02-10-2005, 02:48 PM
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Yes, but does that give reason to act like an ass to a new poster looking to learn?

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Well said (written?).
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Old 02-10-2005, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: JJ fold

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What was your reasoning behing capping it PF?

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I think you're overly harsh here. While it is probably better to cap preflop I doubt there's much in it. I can't exactly see UTG+1 3 betting with 99.

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I can.

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He'd be making a very dubious play.

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Furthermore "he'd be making a very dubious play" is pretty poor justification for why someone can't have a hand, even if their numbers do look approximately good.

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