JTs in family pot, faces turn C/R

[bernie]

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I muck this preflop 90% of the time,

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I limp with this over 90% of the time. And that's in much tougher games than the Party 2-4. The greater majority of games you'll be in you'll be able to do this.

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[Fat Nicky]

Folding JTs from EP is terrble advice, especially in a loose game.

[dmk]

Here's the problem I have w/ hands like this, and maybe others can help me out. When I'm faced w/ the checkraise on the turn, I could very well have outs to improve on the river (J or T can give me best hand sometimes), and the pot is fairly large. So if I convince myself to call the turn c/r, is there anyway I can fold the river if I don't improve? At that point you think "wow, i'm getting 13:1" but how often is your hand good?

I guess my question really is should I feel obligated to call the river unimproved even if my reason for calling the turn c/r is that I have outs to improve? I always feel icky after getting c/r here.

[private joker]

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I muck this preflop 90% of the time,

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I limp with this over 90% of the time. And that's in much tougher games than the Party 2-4. The greater majority of games you'll be in you'll be able to do this.

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I limp with JTs from middle and late positions, but UTG and UTG+1 on tables where it's only 3 or 4 to a flop and often with a raise (which lately seems to be a lot of Party 2/4 tables), I muck it. On the button with at least 3 limpers I raise it. In the blinds I complete/check.

I have, however, noticed myself open-limping a lot with QJs. Maybe that's a leak. But the alternatives don't seem as attractive either.

[bisonbison]

I limp with this over 90% of the time. And that's in much tougher games than the Party 2-4. The greater majority of games you'll be in you'll be able to do this.

hooray for fearless limping.

Honestly guys, it's fun to limp hands that are profitable.

[private joker]

He had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. I wonder if I got lucky that he was the rare trickster who tries to check-raise on a semi-bluff, or if I should always make this call in this spot with this size pot. I'm leaning towards call. Especially now. But that's probably re: sults oriented.

[Fat Nicky]

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He had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. I wonder if I got lucky that he was the rare trickster who tries to check-raise on a semi-bluff, or if I should always make this call in this spot with this size pot. I'm leaning towards call. Especially now. But that's probably re: sults oriented.

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I am seeing so many BS turn check/raises lately, that I am calling down everytime unless it's painfully obvious that I am beat or if I have a good read on my opponent.

[BottlesOf]

Stop folding there 90% of the time.

[private joker]

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Stop folding there 90% of the time.

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I assume you're talking about preflop, and I assume it's because JTs can withstand a raise, so it doesn't matter if you open-limp because it's not a terrible hand even 3 or 4-way for 2 small bets?

[arkady]

Yeah that 2nd spade is always a recipe for someone to whip out the semi bluff. always.