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#12
12-21-2004, 05:03 PM
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Re: T7s on the Button
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i did improve... [/ QUOTE ] he was responding to the turn raise suggestion. you don't need a free showdown here b/c you don't need to show this down unimproved. ------------------------------ there aren't really two schools of thought.. other than perhaps good postflop play and poor postflop play. T7s is enough hand to play here (with non aggro blinds) if you can play it right postflop. 
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#13
12-21-2004, 05:06 PM
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Re: T7s on the Button
I belive Trix is just saying there is little value in a turn raise because if you did not improve you had about no chance to win the hand. A big reason to raise the turn with position (especially against passive opponents) is often so you can check behind on the river unimproved and see a showdown for the same cost of call/call but then times when you do improve collect more bets on the river. That line doesn't really apply here. I believe that was the point anyway.
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#14
12-21-2004, 05:11 PM
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Re: T7s on the Button
I think you have a value raise here. In addition to your 9 flush outs, you have 5 outs to two pair or trips. 14 outs gives you about 30% equity, and you have 3 opponents.
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#17
12-21-2004, 05:20 PM
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Re: T7s on the Button
yes, a raise may barely be for value (accounting for 3-bets, folds, discounted outs, etc) when the action is over...
however, your outs are fairly well hidden and you would expect BB to often bet the river when you do catch one of them. this should let you regain the minimal (and debateable) +EV that you pass on the turn. in the end, you save money when you miss, and push harder for more EV when you hit. in theory [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#18
12-22-2004, 06:03 PM
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Re: T7s on the Button
Of course, the BB may bet the river anyway, which means that you would've unnecessarily passed up a slightly +EV situation on the turn. I don't think this can be debated any further without accurately knowing the tendancies of the BB.
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#20
12-22-2004, 09:04 PM
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Re: T7s on the Button
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Of course, the BB may bet the river anyway, which means that you would've unnecessarily passed up a slightly +EV situation on the turn. I don't think this can be debated any further without accurately knowing the tendancies of the BB. [/ QUOTE ] sure he could stop-n-go.. but much more often (when he puts more $$ in) he'll just 3-bet the turn and kill your turn value play.
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