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#11
10-16-2004, 04:24 PM
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Re: What to do against 2+2?
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[ QUOTE ] If it was a bluff, it was a terrible, terrible bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, not like he got you to fold or anything. [/ QUOTE ] Hey, good use of sarcasm! I wish I could use sarcasm like that. But know that you mention it, I see you're right. Obviously since I did fold, he must have known in advance I was going to. You sure are smart! 
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#13
10-16-2004, 04:37 PM
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Re: What to do against 2+2?
Actually Tosh is right.
A move that makes you fold what is possibly the best hand here, is by definition a great bluff, and definitely not a terrible, terrible one. I'm not talking specifically about you here, but against certain players who are capable to fold hands like yours here (somewhat weak-tight, say), this move is very strong, AS a bluff, and without risking the whole stack.
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#14
10-16-2004, 04:57 PM
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Re: What to do against 2+2?
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I think the point is there is a fine line between a terrible bluff and a brilliant one, especially when dealing with intelligent opponents. Lori [/ QUOTE ] You're right. There is a fine line between a brilliant play and a very bad one. I sometimes catch myself trying to make "brilliant" bluffs (though not usually on a stack as short as his), and when they fail, I have to remind myself it's usually a mistake to get to fancy in an sng. I don't think I've ever given him reason to think I'm especially likely to fold here. If anything - and of course I can't be sure - it's more likely he thinks I'm reckless.
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#15
10-16-2004, 05:03 PM
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Re: What to do against 2+2?
So basically, betting half your stack, into a pot that was twice as large as your bet, where your opponent bet before the flop, and there's an ace on the board, AND you intend to fold if reraised, leaving you with four or five hundred chips... is a good play to you Mantis?
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#16
10-16-2004, 06:23 PM
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Re: What to do against 2+2?
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So basically, betting half your stack, into a pot that was twice as large as your bet, where your opponent bet before the flop, and there's an ace on the board, AND you intend to fold if reraised, leaving you with four or five hundred chips... is a good play to you Mantis? [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if he reads you as capable of folding, say, anything less than TPTK, or 2p, to this sort of flop bet (which is a scary bet, as this thread proves), it's probably a profitable move with any 2 cards. Of course, your opponent should have a strong read, and the courage to act upon it, but we're talking about a good player here, aren't we.
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#17
10-16-2004, 06:36 PM
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Re: What to do against 2+2?
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on pokerstars. dr. jekyl.
if I was the doctor in question, I do not recall the hand. As I look at the hand history I do not know what pocket cards that I would have called the raise pre flop and then bet 450 with that flop. so it was probably another dr. hyde
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#20
10-16-2004, 11:45 PM
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Re: well LinusKS...
Sorry, have been gone all evening. Just got back.
Linus, Of course I knew that you are 2+2. The reason my play was confusing is that I made a bad error preflop. I never should have called with a medium ace. Yes, I had an ace. No, I could not beat your AT. No it was not an 8. After I saw the flop and thought about your pf raise, I knew I was in trouble. I could simply eat crow and check/fold, or I could attempt to get creative. I did put you on a slightly better hand than you had, but the difference didn’t matter. The only way I get out of the hand with a whole skin is if you fold. If I push, you will almost certainly call and win. (unless I have read wrong and you have a large pair that won't beat my aces, but I didn't think so.) The only option I could see, other than folding, was to make a bet that would appear that I was begging for a call with something like pocket 8s. Apparently it worked. Doc [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Edit: For the record, when I looked at the hand after the flop, I gave some thought to his having a large pair, but I put him on AK.
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