10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played

[Gatts]

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I don't understand why you wouldn't check-raise here, it seems like it's striaght out of SSH.

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I don't think many people are folding for 2 bets on the flop.

[sthief09]

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Check-raising is also a good option, but I think everyone's calling anyway

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You want them to call. You'd be getting 5-1 an a draw that's like 4.7-1 to hit the nuts on the turn. Trying to clear the field here is pointless.

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more accurately, you're 1.86-1 to make a flush by the river, or whatever it is for the nuts. we're seeing the river and it should be considered.

[Gatts]

I don't mean they'll call I checkraise. I mean they'll call 2 on the flop.

[Evan]

I think some will

[Evan]

Explain why, and don't say to clean up out because there is a VERY good chance that A's are bad and there's an even better chance that T's are worthless too.

[Evan]

If you agree that you're not trying to thin the field then there is absolutely no reason to bet. You know UTG will bet and you can dafely get everyone to call 2 bets with a check-raise. Betting doens't make sense.

[bisonbison]

I don't know, I guess I'm thinking of this in terms of online play. If his read says that 90% of the time this l-rr must mean AA or KK, then check-raising is the way to go, but if he'd ever do this with QQ, JJ or somesuch, I think betting is better. (edit: because you may clean up outs and failing to clean up outs does you no harm)

This is my 4000th post.

[Gatts]

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I think some will

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Sure, but then I'll be able to 3 bet with sufficient callers. I'd prefer it to be capped 4 ways than 2 bets six-ways.

I think check-raising is safer, but I think betting out maximizes the money going into the pot overall.

Edit: I'm pretty much on the fence but just playing Devil's advocate here. If I was sure everyone would fold to two bets, I'd definitely check-raise. If I felt most of everyone else is calling 2, I'm betting. I think more often people are calling 2 in this pot anyway.

[JP2k1]

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If you agree that you're not trying to thin the field then there is absolutely no reason to bet. You know UTG will bet and you can dafely get everyone to call 2 bets with a check-raise. Betting doens't make sense.

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I agree. I think in this situation, you gain much more (and build a bigger pot in all likelihood) by check-raising rather than betting and conceivably thinning the field. It's possible that no one will fold for 2 bets cold, but I see no reason to put anyone to that decision. Doesn't seem like protecting your vulnerable "outs" is your priority here.

[SpaceAce]

I don't like all this talk of betting out. This is a perfect spot to check-raise a shitload of money into the pot when you're drawing to the nuts.

SpaceAce