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11-17-2005, 05:39 PM
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Re: 99, should I fold it on the turn?
grunch
the turn raise BB is representing the flush and you could be drawing dead. at 7:1 I dont think you have 6 good outs, so its a fold on the turn 
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#12
11-17-2005, 05:46 PM
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Re: 99, should I fold it on the turn?
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grunch the turn raise BB is representing the flush and you could be drawing dead. at 7:1 I dont think you have 6 good outs, so its a fold on the turn [/ QUOTE ] The raise could also represent a 2-pair, set, or a low floush like 65s. For this we can call 1 and fold the river UI.
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#13
11-17-2005, 05:46 PM
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Re: 99, should I fold it on the turn?
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I think this is a good example of checking with outs. [/ QUOTE ] Every time I see someone suggest this play on the ML board I always wonder if it's largely applicable only at higher limits? My understanding of the concept is (despite the fact that we may have the best hand ATM) that the cost to us when we get check-raised and need to draw overwhelms the value in our value-bet. So even though we may be ahead a moderate majority of the time, the increased cost of paying 2 bets (versus gaining 1) means we should still check. But do we not get more value out of our value-bets and have a lower chance of getting c/red against a typical ML opponent? It seems like checking with outs loses merit against an LP (AKA, a typical unknown ML player).
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#14
11-17-2005, 07:19 PM
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Re: 99, should I fold it on the turn?
Good hand, wonder what villain had. Seems over aggressive to raise on the turn for a flush draw.
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#15
11-17-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: 99, should I fold it on the turn?
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[ QUOTE ] I think this is a good example of checking with outs. [/ QUOTE ] Every time I see someone suggest this play on the ML board I always wonder if it's largely applicable only at higher limits? My understanding of the concept is (despite the fact that we may have the best hand ATM) that the cost to us when we get check-raised and need to draw overwhelms the value in our value-bet. So even though we may be ahead a moderate majority of the time, the increased cost of paying 2 bets (versus gaining 1) means we should still check. But do we not get more value out of our value-bets and have a lower chance of getting c/red against a typical ML opponent? It seems like checking with outs loses merit against an LP (AKA, a typical unknown ML player). [/ QUOTE ] I agree. I also think it's very applicable in 6-max but only against aggressive players as well. The typical opponent is not going to check-raise bluff here.
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