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2+2 wannabe · #11 10-21-2005, 10:27 PM

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this river rules

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Justin A · #12 10-21-2005, 11:03 PM

I like the preflop limp.

Surfbullet · #13 10-21-2005, 11:15 PM

I think i'm going to raise/4bet this river...your raise looks like a K, and most (all?) flushes will(should?) 3bet your raise, and noone who was helped by this card is folding. The call/3bet is cool, but I'm not sure if it's optimal, especially with BB's mega-aggro tendencies postflop and obvious flush draw.

I don't mind PF, especially b/c the UTG limper is tight(not great equity) and overlimper is loose(not much FE postflop). Build a pot for stuff like this.

Surf

mike l. · #14 10-21-2005, 11:35 PM

"I really could not rely on him to bet the turn."

that's okay. those people play so bad, you still want them in. it improves your implied odds on the hand.

"It would also be difficult to play the turn if we are still 4 handed and a heart does come down. Then are you still raising the turn?"

yes definitely. i think that's the +EV play.

"I think running bad for a while influenced this somewhat as I am so tired of seeing some singleton heart pick up a draw on the turn and catch on the river. (I know this is not good thinking)"

ding ding ding. well said.

mike l. · #15 10-21-2005, 11:36 PM

against one limper you raise 77, against two you call.

surfdoc · #16 10-21-2005, 11:59 PM

Lets say I raised this pot and we still saw the flop 5 handed. Donk leads just like in the hand. Does this change how you play the flop and beyond?

surfdoc · #17 10-22-2005, 06:32 PM

Here is the way the hand played out. I think that a raise and hope that I get 3 bet is a viable strategy but I think that with a pair on board I will only get raised by the nut flush and even then maybe not. Trapping the donks and putting them on an installment plan worked well because nobody wants to fold for just one more bet in a pot this big. Especially entertaining is MPs over/overcall to my call reraise with pocket 4s. I mean, clearly nobody has a king, a flush, or a pair bigger than his and letting Ace high take this pot down is more than he could stomach.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls $6.50 (All-In), MP calls.

Final Pot: 22.15 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 6h 9h (flush, king high).
UTG has Kd Js (three of a kind, kings).
MP has 4c 4d (two pair, kings and fours).
Hero has 7s 7d (full house, sevens full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 22.15 BB.