fight the battle of who could care less

[aggie]

well, that's all i've got to go on....I agree with you to some extent but i do think you can get some idea for somebody's gambling makeup by watching them in a tournament. For instance, i highly doubt Harrington is a wild LAG in a cash game and i highly doubt Ivey plays passively.

[theBruiser500]

imo reraising preflop is worth consideration. i really like the 3 time check, would c/r the river less though

[kagame]

why is the three check so wonderful?

shouldnt hero be building a pot on the turn?

if matusow has nothing then you win $1800

if he has TT or something maybe you let him away when you could have stacked him.

im not advocating a position just playing devils advocate, i think this is a very interesting spot, nice post

[aggie]

villian would be much more likely to stack of on the river after being checked to 3 times than on the turn if he holds 10-10

[Robk]

quads is too large a percentage of his calling hand range for me to like the river raise. i think a stuck player is likely to bet a marginal made hand on the first two streets. that leaves his river hand range weighted toward very strong hands (QQ, JJ, quads, also 55) and of course bluffs.

i agree with the first two checks. but i would have bet the river. now his bluffs cost him much more than 1800 chips, you still get decent action from his made hands that you beat, possibly including a mistaken value raise, and you save money against quads.

i agree that theres value in tilting him with a large raise. but if hes already on tilt i think theres less value in trying to tilt him marginally more.

also if you check the river i think theres significant tilting value in flatcalling when he has a bluff, and even more so in flatcalling when he has quads.

[bugstud]

deleted, will let people respond more.

[flawless_victory]

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I saw the hand so I'm not going to comment, just leave these thoughts. IF he managed to check a K twice, he's earned my money. Checking aces three times like this is pretty damn ballsy though.

[/ QUOTE ]managed to check a K twice? big deal... people check a K twice maybe more often than the bet the thing... rephrase to "if he managed to make the nut hand when i made the second nut hand when we are playing four handed and i have reason to believe he is tilting or playing poorly, and we have relatively shallow stacks, then he will just have to double through.." then i completely agree. as for hero play... i think he played it like a champ, but i would checkraise to only 4k on the river... that overbet is looking HUGE to me if im villain... i might even lasy down the other AA.

[aggie]

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i might even lasy down the other AA.

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Wouldn't that be a good thing?

[flawless_victory]

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i might even lasy down the other AA.

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Wouldn't that be a good thing?

[/ QUOTE ]i was just making a point... of course, hypothetically, that would be sick.

[bugstud]

so if matusow was villian, what do you think he pulls this move with? Since he's liable to project what hands he'd do this with, and his taunting of another player at the time of not having balls...