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| I count outs on every hand and double check before I click my action. I don't mind almost timing out. |
   
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| It's all intuitive and automatic now. |
  
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| I count ocassionally on multiway pots. |
  
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#101
07-25-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: Is this unethical?
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I agree, stealing is stealing in essence, but there are varying levels of degree and I think in the case of stealing, it makes a huge difference. [/ QUOTE ] I repeat other replies- for imposing penalties or making a less-important catogorization about the "badness" of a particular kind of theft, I can accept that statement. As far as whether one type of theft is more or less ethical, I can't agree that there is a huge difference in defining the act as theft 
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07-25-2005, 03:11 PM
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Scummy douchebags? Ok, whatever. If I have a chance at a big reward with little risk (as is the case with these tokens, or a mirage counterfeit, or mp3s), then I'm going to take it, plain and simple. [/ QUOTE ] That statement, btw, makes me lose a lot of respect for you. You don't care about right or wrong, just what is the risk to you when you can benefit from something that you know is wrong? This is simply a criminal mind. That implies to me that you are interested only in your personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of your behavior on others. I'm of course reaching here with my last statement to make a point, but there's a term for the specific personality I described.
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#103
07-25-2005, 03:14 PM
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Re: Is this unethical?
No, I'm trying to get us away from the attempts at gray on this issue.
Stealing is stealing. Using the degree of damage to try to rationalize the "badness" of stealing is not a message we should be sending IMHO. Since it evidently wasn't clear from my various posts, I agree with you that some theft has more damaging effects than others and should be punished differently. From an ethical argument, trying to shade different degress in defining theft muddles the message that stealing is wrong. That's the point I'm trying to make, one frequent long-term poster to another.
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#104
07-25-2005, 03:15 PM
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As far as whether one type of theft is more or less ethical, [/ QUOTE ] well, I am not sure how one thing can be more or less ethical then another, its either ethical or unecthical IMO. But so what, no one is perfect.
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07-25-2005, 03:17 PM
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[ QUOTE ] So, purchasing fake chips is not the same as printing your own money? [/ QUOTE ] are you referring to casino chips? If so, I would say its the same as printing your own money. The reason why is chips have a legitimate monetary value. Tokens at a batting cage are worth essentially that, and there is no potential return by using them, other than the service. using fake chips is entirely different, you can actually win money with them. Same thing with counterfeit dollars. [/ QUOTE ] Cracka, it's like you need a crash course in economics 000.01 - what money is, what trade is, what currency is, etc. Just like he can get money for those fake casino chips, he can also get money for these tokens by selling them to the next guy in line to buy tokens.
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07-25-2005, 03:18 PM
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I can't believe you have this many posts in this thread. I'm shocked.
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07-25-2005, 03:19 PM
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Re: Is this unethical?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So, purchasing fake chips is not the same as printing your own money? [/ QUOTE ] are you referring to casino chips? If so, I would say its the same as printing your own money. The reason why is chips have a legitimate monetary value. Tokens at a batting cage are worth essentially that, and there is no potential return by using them, other than the service. using fake chips is entirely different, you can actually win money with them. Same thing with counterfeit dollars. [/ QUOTE ] Cracka, it's like you need a crash course in economics 000.01 - what money is, what trade is, what currency is, etc. Just like he can get money for those fake casino chips, he can also get money for these tokens by selling them to the next guy in line to buy tokens. [/ QUOTE ]Yeah I know, fine they have some value, but IMO its fairly small.
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