Another argument that I can't believe.....

[aLOWdAkING]

ok another 10+1 PP SnG. Same friend that pushed with Qh 6h...

this time he's in the sb with Ace 4. There are 4 limpers. blinds at 10/15. he FOLDS. says that its not worth losing 5 chips b/c "you know you are going to lose". i point the 17 to 1 odds hes getting laid jsut for calling, and a potential double up in chips if he hits the flop well. He still says calling 5 chips is stupid. But he will risk 500 with Qh 6h.

[Phill S]

is this friend theoretical.

yes, you call with any two if its unraised, even 27.

then rejoice at the A27 flop.

[mackthefork]

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is this friend theoretical.

yes, you call with any two if its unraised, even 27.

then rejoice at the A27 flop.

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Or despair

Regards Mack

[Phill S]

despair is when your all in on it and the other guy hits his ten on the turn or the wet one.

Phill

[The once and future king]

That is not a rejoicing flop.

In order of happiness these are:

777
222
277
722
x77
x22

[Vermicious Knid]

You won't get much action from any of those flops. An A27 means that you can get a ton of action from someone with a AQ, AJ, A10, etc. You will lose to someone with A2 or A7 and your opponent could suck out on you, but it is hard to double up without gambling a little bit.

[The once and future king]

On party you will get plenty of action from people who have limped with pockets.

Floping bottom 2pair is a reciepe for disaster. My flops of rejoicing Halleluah all avoid that calamity.

[Phill S]

actually only the top two are safe (and by safe i mean least vulnerable).

the rest provide a fair amount of room to lose your stack.

but they are better than 27A i have to admit.

for what its worth, going back to the origional point of the thread. i once called with 27 in the SB. flop came 27blank. someone decided to raise me all in, i couldnt fold and he flipped over AA and lost.

so what this shows is:
raise your good hands
call the SB if the odds are quite nice (just be carefull with what comes)

Phill