Bad Ettiquette? - Page 3

PITTM · #21 08-23-2004, 09:24 PM

yes, clearly

rj

bwana devil · #22 08-23-2004, 09:50 PM

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This is different. This falls under the show-one-show-all rule. The guy voluntarily shows his cards to another player at the table and he knows that leaves him open to showing to everyone at the table.

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right, I'm with you it's different. That's why I asked.

I knew I could ask to see the other guy's cards, but I was pretty sure in doing so, it would set an unfriendly and tense tone at the table and I really wasn't looking for that. Do other's feel the scenario I described would warrant such action or would be ok letting it slide a few times in order to avoid a bruhaha.

bwana

dcJohn · #23 08-23-2004, 09:54 PM

It is a rule at the vast bulk of casinos. If you were in a hand at the beginning then you have the right to ask to see anyone's hand who goes to showdown.

One of the older women playing at a 2/4 table at Borgata (she's a regular) did this to me when she had folded at the flop, and I told her straight up that "sure I can and will show them to you, but so you know, I think it's very rude of you, and I'm going to ask to see your next 3 hands for every one time you do this to me." She ended up just saying "forget it" and was clearly annoyed, so it was a win-win from my perspective.

I don't react badly to someone who went to showdown with me and asks to see what I had in a particularly big pot / hard hand.

I myself can be a jerk when someone who wins a hand tries to just show the winning card of the two he holds (i.e. I have the ace--and shows it--but conceals his other card). Just my own little opinion of How Poker Ought to Be: if you win it all, show it all.

TimM · #24 08-23-2004, 09:55 PM

Or, you could learn to throw the cards like Jesus, and the next time someone asks to see your cards, you can bury them in his forehead. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

TheTurk · #25 08-24-2004, 10:21 AM

I can honestly say I've never heard of or seen this RIDICULOUS rule ever. Do you know if this rule exists at Foxwoods? I've only seen the tournament rules and I never saw that rule in those rules.

I do agree that if you win you should show both cards.

CountDuckula · #26 08-24-2004, 10:30 AM

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I can honestly say I've never heard of or seen this RIDICULOUS rule ever. Do you know if this rule exists at Foxwoods? I've only seen the tournament rules and I never saw that rule in those rules.

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No, this is a standard rule. However, it is intended to prevent collusion, not to give other players the opportunity to force you to reveal your strategy to them. If used properly, I have no problem with it; I just want it understood that if someone invokes it on me, they're accusing me of colluding with another player - i.e., cheating. I will make sure that the player who does so knows what he's done, and do my best to make it uncomfortable for him/her to try it again.

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I do agree that if you win you should show both cards.

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I think so, too; if you win at showdown, the caller paid to see your hand and is entitled to it.

-Mike

AKQJ10 · #27 08-24-2004, 10:41 AM

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I do agree that if you win you should show both cards.

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I think so, too; if you win at showdown, the caller paid to see your hand and is entitled to it.

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Isn't that a standard rule for Hold 'Em? I'm fairly sure that in Omaha it's required that you show all four cards to win the pot, even if you're only using two for both high and low (in high-low games).

TheTurk · #28 08-24-2004, 10:48 AM

I thought it was too. Either it's not or Foxwoods does not enforce this ever.

CountDuckula · #29 08-24-2004, 11:34 AM

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I do agree that if you win you should show both cards.

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I think so, too; if you win at showdown, the caller paid to see your hand and is entitled to it.

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Isn't that a standard rule for Hold 'Em? I'm fairly sure that in Omaha it's required that you show all four cards to win the pot, even if you're only using two for both high and low (in high-low games).

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I think it is, but I wasn't sure enough to come out and say so.

-Mike

MRBAA · #30 08-24-2004, 12:11 PM

If you want to win the pot (or part of it), you must show your entire hand. If you are willing to concede the pot, you should be able to muck unseen. I'm with Ray Zee 100% on those who ask to see for info. I've turbo-mucked and done everything possible to put player's asking on tilt. The key is, don't go on tilt yourself when this happens.