pop quiz on air national guard and fast boats...

[Rooster71]

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George W. Bush trained for what were expected to be very dangerous missions; guard airmen were right in it every day at the time he enlisted.

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Yea right. George wanted so badly to fight and defend his country. Please tell us some more fairy tales.

[andyfox]

Being anti-war was never politically correct. George McGovern, despite having been a fighter pilot, got shellacked by Richard Nixon because of his anti-war stance.

I recently watched the Dick Cavett debate between O'Neill and Kerry from 1971, which was rebroadcast last week. There's no way what Kerry was saying there would have been politically savvy. It would be one thing to be against the war; to call the was a criminal act was quite another.

[andyfox]

I don't think anybody could even have imagined that calling the war criminal was a way to political success. All of the acceptable opposition to the war in those days was not principled: it was because the war was being lost, or unwinnable, or a mistake, not because it was evil or unlawful or criminal. To accuse the government of being criminal was for Chomsky and Stone and Falk and others similarly excluded from polite discussion.

In the Cavett debate (1971), O'Neill is obviously peeved by the fact that Kerry is accusing the war effort of being a criminal activity; O'Neill was apparently a front man for the Nixon administration.

Interesting, anyway, that Vietnam still remains such a troubling memory for many Americans. For many on the right, the opposition to the war was seen as the cause for us losing and they will never forgive those they see as the culprits. For others on the left, it showed that our government could do evil things and lie about it without batting an eye.

[Taxman]

This cycle of self delusion is astounding

[Taxman]

I love how all of a sudden, Kerry has become a cold calculating criminal mastermind who knew he would be running for president since he was five years old. If one angle doesn't work, they just go for another one. Personally, I don't think Kerry is nearly smart enough to have engineered a 30 year presidential campaign. He's no Bill Clinton after all.

[elwoodblues]

As an aside, this is the same type of argument that got OJ off. The LA police are the biggest bunch of buffoons on the face of the earth. Not only that, but they almost pulled off the most complicated/calculated frame-up ever devised.

Kerry entered military service because he felt that admirable/brave/patriotic service was the way to become president. He then came back and was the most unpatriotic person imaginable (aiding and abetting, yadda yadda yadda) because that would get him the spotlight that he would someday use to become president.