theoretical question: how many callers do you want with aces?

[znup]

I've really enjoyed your posts and will miss you. Condolences to your family.

Here lies SOSS mAAy he rest in peace.

[Tosh]

LOL c'mon SossMan, if you can't beat them, join them. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[UncleRemus]

Not sure if this is "as bad as it gets" for rockets, but this is about as bad as I could get it. Brutal!

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=459616
pokenum -h ac as - ah 2c - ad 2s - qc qs - jc js - ts tc - 9c 9s - kc ks - 8h 7h - 4d 5d
Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 3900 1.94 196406 97.53 1070 0.53 0.021
2c Ah 3139 1.56 193139 95.91 5098 2.53 0.027
2s Ad 3253 1.62 193025 95.85 5098 2.53 0.028
Qs Qc 27579 13.70 173792 86.30 5 0.00 0.137
Js Jc 21809 10.83 179562 89.17 5 0.00 0.108
Ts Tc 18137 9.01 183234 90.99 5 0.00 0.090
9s 9c 16465 8.18 184906 91.82 5 0.00 0.082
Ks Kc 34401 17.08 166970 82.91 5 0.00 0.171
8h 7h 33306 16.54 168065 83.46 5 0.00 0.165
5d 4d 34289 17.03 167082 82.97 5 0.00 0.170


(Yes, I'm really bored)

[AleoMagus]

[ QUOTE ]
I wake up on a saturday

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... is it friday today?

LOL. You know that you are a poker player when you don't know what day of the week it is

That 52:1 against scenario IS brutal. Thanks all who dug around trying to come up with those. Crazy stuff.

Regards
Brad S

[MikeGuz]

I have this theory I am sure shared by others that a lot of players means the deck is rich in smaller cards - this does work for me - say I'm on the button with a lot of limpers or say 1 or 2 raises ahead I may play a hand like 56 or 45.

Anyway if I were in a hand and I knew some how all the players would be all in I'd have to assume there was a bunch of big cards out there so I would not be afraid of a hand like 56 - It would be fun to run some sims with a bunch of hands like 99-88-AK-AQ-JJ-ATs-KK-QQ-TT and 56o and 56s - se what hands do best.

[KJ o]

This is fun! My take:
Twodimes simulation
pokenum -h ah as - ac 2c - ad 3d - kh ks - qh qs - jh js - th ts - 8h 9h - 6s 7s - 4h 5h
Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 805 0.40 200500 99.56 71 0.04 0.004
Ac 2c 27513 13.66 173792 86.30 71 0.04 0.137
Ad 3d 29487 14.64 171818 85.32 71 0.04 0.147
Ks Kh 31619 15.70 169746 84.29 11 0.01 0.157
Qs Qh 25624 12.72 175741 87.27 11 0.01 0.127
Js Jh 20777 10.32 180588 89.68 11 0.01 0.103
Ts Th 17385 8.63 183980 91.36 11 0.01 0.086
9h 8h 14443 7.17 186922 92.82 11 0.01 0.072
7s 6s 20460 10.16 180905 89.83 11 0.01 0.102
5h 4h 13192 6.55 188173 93.44 11 0.01 0.066

Now, If I had 5h 4h and nine people were all-in ahead of me, I'd probably fold. Unless this was a huge freeroll...

[Jason Strasser]

I hope no one misreads this. I have to say, this situation will happen hardly ever. Maybe never. In general you will not be folding aces pf under any situation.

[Lori]

In general you will not be folding aces pf under any situation.

Worth clarifying. I have NEVER folded aces preflop in a single table tourney and have only once been in position where I should have (and didn't realise until after I hit call... of course they managed to lose which was distressing when I had already realised my error)

For what its worth, the situation was.

Limit Holdem, blinds 150-300

CO: 400 chips
Lori: (Button) 10 chips
Other TWO players: lots of chips

CO folds, lori has aces.

Lori

[t_perkin]

I folded AA preflop once.

My wireless mouse batteries went dead 5 pixels to the right of the call button.

AAAAAAHHH

Tim

[Fiery Jack]

Suppose you are last to act and 7 people have gone all-in in front of you already.

You hold AA. What now?