Party 15/30 AK hand

[the_closer]

I have not played too much PP15-30 but I have played a lot of mid limit B&M games and in most of them raising with A-Ko from the blinds in large multiway pots is usually a mistake.

In these Games with some relatively tough aggressive opponents playing holdem is more more about position than anything else.

The minute that you slow down with this hand once you have raised the pot they will pounce on it with anything, but most likely be beating you, and as said before when you flop to it you won't get paid off as well.

You are giving them pot odds on just about any draw they could possibly have, and they would be correct to chase you down.

[mmcd]

Ahh, a sane reply.

Thank you.

[Barry]

That's exactly the point. You won't get much action post flop if you hit your hand, whether you raised or not, so you need to get their chips in the pot before the flop.

[mmcd]

You will get more action postflop by not raising. If an aggressive player has a hand like AJ A10, you will be able to get multiple bets on at least 2 streets. Even tighter players with shittier aces will give you action. If you raised at best the AJ A10 type hands will put in a couple or 3 bets on the flop and then resort to calling you down, and the dusty aces might not play at all. If you hit your hand with all these limpers, you're gonna get played with. Its just a matter of whether you have middle pair gutshot type hands (along w maybe some dominated 2nd best hands) check-calling you down, or 2nd best hands jamming it with you postflop because they think they're ahead. Also, don't forget the compulsory extra bets you will put in postflop when you raise and flop poorly.

[Barry]

1st and aggressive player would have raised PF with AT or AJ and you will still get action from worse A's either way.

At any rate, you just keep playing your way, but for god sakes, stop trying to give advice here to people that want to play better.

[mmcd]

Raising multiple limpers w/AKo out of the blinds is a BAD idea and WILL COST YOU MONEY in most games. If you want to play better think about this and hopefully you will eventually realize why.


True or False:

Offsuit big cards tend to do well out of position in large multi-way pots.


You people are greatly underestimating the importance of having position and overestimating the value of AKo in multiway pots.

[Barry]

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True or False:

Offsuit big cards tend to do well out of position in large multi-way pots.


You people are greatly underestimating the importance of having position and overestimating the value of AKo in multiway pots.



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Yes, but not AK

Position is important when it comes to marginal hands, not monsters like AK

Lastly, just because you raise PF doesn't mean that you have to spray chips around post-flop.

[RoodyPooh]

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You people are greatly underestimating the importance of having position and overestimating the value of AKo in multiway pots.

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No... you are underestimating the value of AKo. I don't know who started the myth that it doesn't play well in multiway pots.

[JimmyV]

I agree with mmcd, for what it's worth, unless the game is at all shorthanded or there's only one or maybe two limpers.

Jimmyv

[Ulysses]

I can't believe this debate is happening.