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Old 08-16-2004, 10:52 AM
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Default 5/10 QQ Hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5 BB (8 handed)

MP2 ($1000)
CO ($964.85)
Hero ($2075.50)
SB ($599.50)
BB ($710.75)
UTG ($960)
UTG+1 ($992)
MP1 ($3390.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises to $40</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $40, CO calls $40, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $110, MP2 folds, CO calls $110.

Flop: ($505) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets $230</font>, UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to $814.85</font>, Hero calls $584.85.

No read on co, what do you think?
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Old 08-16-2004, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

I dont think I would make this call because the worst possible thing that this player could have is over cards with a flush draw. In that position you are a slight favorite, but that would be your best possible position. They could have a set (then you are drawing to 2 outs), could have AA or KK (with or without a heart and you are still in bad trouble), they have a made flush and you are getting crushed, etc etc. So in my opinion they can only have 1 possible hand that you want them to flip over and even if they do you are still flipping a coin
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Old 08-16-2004, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

I think most players would raise allin with many different hands here given the action. his raise could easily mean AhXo, but it could also mean KhQh or something like that. point being is that a flopped flush will raise you allin because they put you on a big pair with a heart and hope you'll make a bad call, and a big pair with a heart will raise you because they want to see both cards.

because of the preflop action I think AA and KK are somewhat unlikely, JhJx is possible.

the other hand that seems to be the most likely to me is a set. your opponent called a lot of money preflop, usually people have a tendency to call a lot more with a pocket pair than other speculative hands like 78s, because if they hit it's pretty easy to play and sets make money. in this situation he wants you to have a big pair and be willing to gamble drawing with a heart.

my general feeling is that your opponent wants to see both cards, so he is either drawing to a one card flush or a full house. you are a big huge dog to a set, and since I think that's very likely I like a fold, although if I had the Qh it's a very easy call. also it's an easy call if you can put him on something like Ah Kc, which actually is likely as well.

to sum up my long rambling post I think the 2 most likely hands are TT or AhX or something like that. a flopped flush is less likely but still quite possible.

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Old 08-16-2004, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

what about JJ
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Old 08-16-2004, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

[ QUOTE ]
"JhJx is possible. "

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Old 08-16-2004, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

i'd put it in the category of most likely hands
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Old 08-16-2004, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

I tend to give my opponents more credit than that, but sure, the guy could have JJ. he's not beating anything if he gets called, and they are coinflipping vs. AhKx, which is about the worst he's going to get called by. I guess it depends on how fishy the guy is. versus a solid preflop reraiser, JJ is most likely toast.

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Old 08-16-2004, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

EDIT: NM about the AhAx, but still my question:

I don't understand the reraise preflop, why put in 30x BB with QQ? So you can committ with no redraw on this ugly ugly flop?

I hope it worked out.
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Old 08-16-2004, 01:55 PM
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My raise was 15x the bb, the hand converter has the bb at 5 for some reason.
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Old 08-16-2004, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ Hand

I dont see your opponent calling 40 then 110 with Ah x. He most likely has a set or something like KhQh.
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