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Old 08-14-2004, 09:53 PM
Jesse Richman Jesse Richman is offline
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Default Your move?

$100 Party SNG, blinds still 10-15, all players involved have T1000, I have no reads on anyone yet. Four part question. I don't like how I played this at any stage.

UTG limps, UGT2 raises to 30, you are UTG3 with AQo. Your move?






















I reraised to T100. Player in MP re-reraises to T170. BB calls, limper and opening raiser fold. Your move?






















I called. Three to a flop of JT3 rainbow. BB bets T15. Your move?
























I called. MP raises all in. UTG folds. Your move?













I folded.
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Old 08-14-2004, 10:22 PM
fatduck fatduck is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

Call 30 preflop. Fold to reraise. MP has pocket pair, possibly overpair possibly stabbing with a missed set like 99. Either way you're way behind, and if he doesn't have a pocket pair he probably holds AK, which dominates you.
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Old 08-15-2004, 05:28 AM
Jesse Richman Jesse Richman is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

You would smooth call the min-raise preflop? Why?

If you think theres a decent chance MP has AK, do you still agree with my check on the flop?
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Old 08-15-2004, 06:03 AM
Doubling12 Doubling12 is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

I will regularly fold pre-flop in this situation. This is my thinking - certainly not gospel but it works for me:

The negative implied odds are beyond horrible. At the $20 level, people will call with hands they play in limit HE ring games (KQ, for example). But at the $100 level, especially early, you should be very concerned if you raise like this and get any action. So you are risking $100 minimum, hoping to pick up $70.

Also, in the first round, losing $500 hurts a lot more than making $500 helps, so you'd much rather be calling T100 late with 98s looking to crack someone who overplays AK to a missed flop.
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:23 PM
EverettKings EverettKings is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

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I will regularly fold pre-flop in this situation.

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Fold preflop to the min raise, or to the reraise? Folding to the min raise seems very weak tight: do you only call a raise, even a baby raise, with AA-QQ/AK? You might play 3 pots all day with that mentality, and you won't get any action on them. Though I wouldn't reraise here (I agree on calling and folding to another decent raise), folding outright is the worst of options IMO.
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:27 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

Four questions, four answers.

Fold, fold, call, fold.
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:49 PM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

No no no no.

You do not fold preflop for 30 chips with AQo in position. Call. Do not raise. The min raise to me doesnt mean AA KK QQ or AK. So why fold?
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:51 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

Sorry. I don't play AQo from EP in the early rounds.
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Old 08-15-2004, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: Your move?

The reason you fold for 30 chips with AQo in EP and a raise (albeit a mini one)is that if you don't hit an A or a Q and the raiser bets strongly into you, you have to fold. If you do hit an A or a Q on the flop and the raiser bets strongly into you, you probably should fold. If someone reraises after you, you should fold. After calling the second reraise, it's a hand that you need two pair to play with any confidence.

The raiser in front of you has effectively taken control of this hand, even with a min-raise. The reraiser in back has retaken control, and now you are in the middle.

I'd much rather call the thirty with a small to mid pocket pair.

You want to put chips in the middle when you think you have the best of it. After the first raise...maybe, after the second one...definitely not. A reraise...absolutely not. Call the 30 if you must, but a reraise is a recipe for a lot of lost chips.

It's not the 30 chips that you lose preflop that make this a fold, it's the potential volume of chips that you lose after the flop that makes this a fold preflop.

Play well,

CCC
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Old 08-15-2004, 04:16 PM
Doubling12 Doubling12 is offline
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Default Re: Your move?

SNG's have a strategy all their own. They are the most profitable game on-line for those who make the adjustments. Read what triplc says, I couldn't put it much better. In fact, I would bet that if the average player clicked "post-and-fold" until the blinds were 50/100, and spent that time studying the opponents, they would do better than they do now.
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