98s on the Button

Gatts · #1 08-10-2004, 02:56 PM

Was this a bit LAG?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG folds, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

River: (13.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Sent · #2 08-10-2004, 02:58 PM

I wouldn't raise with 98s in LP, you flopped monster draws both flush and straight so everything else looks ok to me.

-Sent

Nottom · #3 08-10-2004, 03:06 PM

Preflop raise is marginally LAG and the turn 3-bet is a mistake. You are almost certainly behind and aren't getting value on the turn heads-up even with a very strong draw like the one you have.

If you had something with some showdown value like J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or even A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I would like the 3-bet a lot more.

Gatts · #4 08-10-2004, 03:27 PM

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Preflop raise is marginally LAG and the turn 3-bet is a mistake. You are almost certainly behind and aren't getting value on the turn heads-up even with a very strong draw like the one you have.

If you had something with some showdown value like J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or even A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I would like the 3-bet a lot more.

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Yeah, the turn 3-bet is what I questioned most, since I'd have to fold on the river unimproved, and I probably don't have the odds heads up to ram and jam even with about a billion outs (or 15).

This is about the smallest hand I'd raise preflop with, but you're right, this is a drawing hand and a drawing hand only, and if I whiff on the draws I have nothing.

Thanks!

skierdude1000 · #5 08-10-2004, 05:00 PM

I agree that a preflop raise is wrong

Chris Daddy Cool · #6 08-10-2004, 05:07 PM

Last night I played a live 3/6 hand where I raised from the CO with 98s and won a 3 way showdown.... with 9 high.

skierdude1000 · #7 08-10-2004, 06:06 PM

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Last night I played a live 3/6 hand where I raised from the CO with 98s and won a 3 way showdown.... with 9 high.

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Just because you won doesn't mean your play was correct (results oriented is what you're being)

Chris Daddy Cool · #8 08-10-2004, 06:13 PM

This was meant to be a somewhat humorous post.

On a sidenote however: It is sometimes correct to raise suited medium-high suited connectors from the CO to buy the button.

skierdude1000 · #9 08-10-2004, 06:20 PM

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This was meant to be a somewhat humorous post.

On a sidenote however: It is sometimes correct to raise suited medium-high suited connectors from the CO to buy the button.

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That sometimes wasn't in that hand and not at those stakes

cartoonsoldier · #10 08-10-2004, 06:22 PM

I agree Chris that you can raise 89s in LP sometimes, but I wouldn't do that at .02/.04

If I flop a strong draw, which this hand is going to flop instead of a made hand most times, I would want people to stay in.