Kill pot question

[imaptone]

When a pot is killed, on the ensuing pot, who has last action? The killer or the big blind?

[faxwoods]

the killer has to post the kill, while SB and BB posts what would normally be posted

[imaptone]

Maybe the question is too vague. I understand the structure of the blinds. But for example, if the killer is in middle positon, would he have last action pre flop? Can he raise after the big blind has acted?

[BarronVangorToth]

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Maybe the question is too vague. I understand the structure of the blinds. But for example, if the killer is in middle positon, would he have last action pre flop? Can he raise after the big blind has acted?

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No.

Let's say the "kill" is in seat 5.

It's a 5-10 game.

Small Blind = Seat 1 = $2
BB = Seat 2 = $5
UTG = Seat 3 = has to "call" $10 or raise to $20 (or fold, of course)

let's say he calls.

UTG+1 = Seat 4 = call $10 or raise to $20 or fold -- let's say he folds

Seat 5 = kill = already has $10 out ... can "check" and keep his hand as he has already "bet" $10 or he can raise to $20...

etc etc

In short, it's a live bet in the middle of the regular bets, it doesn't shift position of better preflop OR postflop.


Barron Vangor Toth
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[ProfLupin]

This is the way I've seen it done on UB, but I was in a live card room and they had the kill player act last preflop (after the big blind) regardless of what position they were playing. I'm not sure how this would work if another player decided to raise, but that never came up because of the passivity of the table.

[PDosterM]

Different card rooms have different rules.

The one I play in used to have it so that the killer acted last in the betting order (that is between the BB and UTG). When a raise happened, the betting just continued in that order. The problem was that very few players understood how it worked, and the dealers were not very good about keeping players from betting out of turn. This prompted management to change the rule so that everyone acted in the regular circular order. My opinion is that this is bad poker but a good rule because at least everyone understands it.

The Orleans has a good compromise where the killer acts last in the betting order until there is a raise, in which case the order reverts to the regular order. This is also bad poker (but not as bad) but a good rule, again because everyone understands it.

So ask. Not only do different rooms have different rules, but at least one of them changed the rule. I prefer games without a kill just because it avoids confusion.

Be sure you understand the required tactical changes in these games. If you have a leg up, you must be more selective regarding the starting hands you play because the tax for winning the hand (having to post a blind next hand) is actually very high. Also I have noticed that most players defend their kill more frequently than they defend their big blind, so it’s harder to steal (so normally don’t try) but this also offers a larger incentive for value raising.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

At Foxwoods, the killer acts in turn wherever he is seated. Those between the BB and the killer must at least call the kill blind (or raise to double the kill blind) if they don't fold.

[BarronVangorToth]

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This is the way I've seen it done on UB, but I was in a live card room and they had the kill player act last preflop (after the big blind) regardless of what position they were playing. I'm not sure how this would work if another player decided to raise, but that never came up because of the passivity of the table.

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I should've been clearer in my post, then, as that's the way I've seen it done in the casinos I've been to that have a kill -- and the way I see it done constantly here at my local B&M Foxwoods. Theoretically, any place could have their own home rules. I think the way I described it is pretty much "standard," although, like someone else says above, every place has their own rules that you should be aware of and think about in terms of what is and is not the best way to play in their pond.


Barron Vangor Toth
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