5/10NL Hand v. AJo

[turnipmonster]

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Wow -- BTW, how much did you plan to call on the river?

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if my reasoning in the other post is right, he should be prepared to call at least a pot bet on the river.

--turnipmonster

[Jason Strasser]

ROFL!

I completely misread the opening. I thought he had AJo, and wasnt against Ajo! Damnit.

[cornell2005]

i think el diablo played it well, and AJo played it poorly on the turn/river no matter what two cards he is holding. The turn check is very strange if he has an A, and bad if he has a J. theres not much of a point to checking to induce a bluff from any hand el diablo will continue with. He is missing value if el diablo has an A, and missing bluffing opportunities if he doesnt.

AJo's check on the turn seems better if he has a medium ace rather than a J. I guess he could have QK also, and then the turn check wouldnt be too bad, but the overbet on the flop would then be a bit obvious, and the preflop call would be a loose. Also, the river bluff wouldn't seem great, as the only hand eldiablo folds is a blusted draw himself, and that hand is unlikely for him.

[Ulysses]

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I raise the river though anyone else?

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What worse hand is going to call?

[Ulysses]

Edited to add: NM. Read your followup post. Haha. Yes, I would have played this a little differently had I had AJo.

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I'd bet the turn. And if I checked the turn like you, I'd bet the river.

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Why and why?

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As it played, I'd raise the river. What am I missing?

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What worse hands call a river checkraise? Maybe exactly AQ. What else?

[Ulysses]

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Also, were you thinking he would bet the turn and you would raise?

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If that was my plan, I would have raised the river, no?

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Wow -- BTW, how much did you plan to call on the river?

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I expected the river action to go check, he pushes, I call.

[Ulysses]

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he either has nothing or a J

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That was exactly my read.

[Chazbot2000]

If he has an ace, the turn check makes sense to me. He bets a little more than the pot on the flop and Diablo check-called. At that point, I if I had paird the ace, I'd start getting concerned that Diablo paired the Jack and was slow playing me. I'd check the turn to try to get to showdown cheaply.

Then Diablo checks the river too and you say to yourself "Ah ha, he definitely doesn't have the jack or he would have value bet me by now. My ace must be good!"

The bet on the river isn't a bluff so much as trying to get some money out of what you think is the best hand without making it such a small bet that you entice a big reraise (at which point you wet your pants and wonder if he had A-J or A-A all along).

My guesses are he's either got A-Q or 10-10.

[Esoteric]

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If that was my plan, I would have raised the river, no?

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Oops, good point.


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I expected the river action to go check, he pushes, I call.

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If I had your read of J or nothing and my plan was to call the river even for an all-in bet, I think the correct play would be to raise the flop or bet the turn (although I don't know if I would have done this in real life). This line prevents a free card in case he is playing a medium pocket pair and it could save a bust on the river if you are willing to lay it down when raised/called (given the read of J or nothing).

[Ulysses]

I care very little about a free card here. I want to give him a chance to bluff again w/ a worse hand or make it harder for him to get all the money in if he has a Jack. I really don't like the lines you suggest.