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Old 07-28-2004, 02:16 PM
TwoShedsJackson TwoShedsJackson is offline
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Default First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

BB <font color="purple">(Villain)</font> ($17.45)
UTG ($23.75)
UTG+1 ($27.95)
UTG+2 ($37.70)
MP1 ($5.05)
MP2 ($102.45)
MP3 ($14.80)
CO ($26.35)
Hero ($23.50)
SB ($30.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, <font color="CC3333">BB <font color="purple">(Villain)</font> raises to $1</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($4.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Villain bets $0.5</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($6.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Villain bets $2</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls $2.

River: ($10.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Villain bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $14.50
<font color="green">Main Pot: $14.50, between Villain and Hero.</font>

Results can follow, although I got yelled at for being a drawer, a moron, a chaser, a retard etc. etc. Anyone care to guess what cards the villain was holding?
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:26 PM
Daann Daann is offline
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

On the flop, you have an easy call just based on immediate pot odds, same on the turn. You really should have raised the river though, he is easily going to pay you off here. Ignore the villian, he played it like a gimp, I'd say he probably had AA or QQ.
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

Make it $10 on the river at least, and go all-in if pushed. (at least that is what I would do)
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:34 PM
Ulysses Ulysses is offline
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

Raise the river.
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

Let's see.

Preflop: Good hand to call with in a five-way pot.

Flop: I don't have a problem with it. You have a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw, and you're getting 12 to 1. That silly underbet by the PFR in first position screams to me of someone who doesn't know how to play a pocket pair -- I'd believe anything from AA/KK/QQ down to a set of deuces on the flop. It doesn't even matter. This means your implied odds are pretty good, because you know he's not going to fold it.

Turn: Odds are a little iffy but I personally might still go with it. Again, implied odds.

The only thing I'd do differently is push on the river. You know he's not going to let go of his hand. The only hand that I could see him having that beats you is KQ diamonds.

Based on the way you phrased that question and his underbets that look like he's trying to extract small change from you without making you fold, I'll say AA. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DB
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:45 PM
TwoShedsJackson TwoShedsJackson is offline
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

Thanks for the quick replies guys. I realise now I should have raised the river but I was worried he could have been drawing to a diamond flush as well, which would almost inevitably have been bigger than mine. Passive I know, but I am trying to get better [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyway he showed the Ace and Jack of clubs for two pair so I won the pot - he was indeed drawing to a flush, just not the same one as me. The fact he spiked two pair on the turn and river even though he missed the flush doubtless made him somewhat more irate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

if he has a bigger flush he will most likely raise and you will have to call anyway.

if he'll call $2 when he doesn't have the flush he will almost certainly call a bigger bet.

therefore, being worried that you are beat is a bad reason to make a small bet on the river. bet at least $6, id bet $7.5.

gl
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:30 PM
Garland Garland is offline
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Default Re: First hand post: got yelled at for being a \'retard\' etc. etc.

[ QUOTE ]
Flop: ($4.50) 4, 2, Q (4 players)
Villain bets $0.5, MP1 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($6.50) J (4 players)
Villain bets $2, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls $2.

River: ($10.50) A (2 players)
Villain bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $14.50
Main Pot: $14.50, between Villain and Hero.

[/ QUOTE ]

Flop: Let's see, he bets $.50 into a $4.50 pot for a chance to make the nut straight with a 3 and backdoor flush. $5:$.50. The price is right.

Turn: He bets $2 into a $6.50 pot for not only the gutshot, but now a flush draw? $8.50:$2. The price is right.

River. He value bets whatever hand he has for a piddling $2? Raise this guy all-in. Punish him for being the idiot he was was for school girl betting after the flop.

Guesses? AA?

Garland
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