Carlos Delgado

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I don't see what why you think this mean american citizens should be persecuted for their religious belief. There is a huge difference between Islamism, which is a political movement, and Islam, which is a religion.

[Gamblor]

Youre the only country in the world to have a national anthem adapted from a Royal Navy song about [censored] whores.

That is a myth.

It is based on a poem written by Judge Adolphe-Basile Routhier.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Saddam Hussain was not an Islamist.

You are correct, of course. There is also a complexity inherent to this entire conflict that mitigates against simple answers. I support the war on terror and I supported the war against Iraq. In many ways they are two different wars, but they have enough common bonds to make them inseparable in a geopolitical sense.

It may be ironic that the Presidential candidate for whom I will vote is likely the only one who would immediately cease our involvement. You may rest assured that if elected, John Kerry will not withdraw us from this conflict.

BTW - when are you coming over this way? I'm still looking forward to continuing our discussions at one of the watering holes at Mohegan.

[Gamblor]

So you're okay with Islamists, as long as they practice (in their opinions) a watered-down version of Islam?

Islam requires proselytization as a fundamental tenet of the faith. A Muslim should make every effort to Islamicize his world. Look at a history of the Arab people. Islam was the reason they went and conquered every civilization from Morocco to Iran (and in modern times, Sudan and Israel).

In other words, you're saying it's okay to call yourself a Muslim, but it's not right to actually be a Muslim.

[nicky g]

Ah, you missed an earlier post I made about that - I've been and gone. Didn't get in touch as in the end I wasn't anywhere near your neck of the woods - just NYC and New Hampshire. Originally there was a plan to go down to FW or MC with some of our friends who live in the area, and there was much lobbying to stop off in Connecticut throughout the trip, but it fell on deaf ears - my wife doesn;t get to see her family often so we just hung about with them. Was not a great trip all in all - endless flight screw-ups, bad weather and I lost my wedding ring in a lake. Was promised a trip to a dog track and even that didn't happen. But my wife had a good time with her folks which was what really mattered. Rest assured I'll be round there sometime in the near/mid future.

[nicky g]

Your opinions of what Islam requires differ from mine.

[Gamblor]

I believe it was, after Jackson heckled Rivers (in the press) for being illiterate, Rivers responded in the next interview: "you better stop readin and writing and start hittin!"

I heard a story about Reggie Jackson bragging about an IQ of 150 or something to which Rivers responded: "out of what, a thousand?"

Either way, easily the dumbest man in sports.

(And I played hockey)

[Gamblor]

Excuse me.

I refer to Arab Islam, not Islam.

Turkey, for example, is Islamist but has found the proper mix between Islam and freedom.

[nicky g]

You've lost me. (Apologies for tone prior to edit).

[Cptkernow]

[ QUOTE ]
Youre the only country in the world to have a national anthem adapted from a Royal Navy song about [censored] whores.

That is a myth.

It is based on a poem written by Judge Adolphe-Basile Routhier.

[/ QUOTE ]

WRONG ON ALL COUNTS.

It was writen by an american (they obviously had to change the words) but it was based on the meter of an english navy song.

Origins of some old Yank song.

I was exagerating about the [censored] whores bit though.