My First Stud Hand Post

sthief09 · #1 07-12-2004, 02:08 AM

I just got dealt rolled up 4's, but I wasn't sure when to slowplay, or not to slowplay. I read in the S/S section that you should never slowplay unless you have rolled up trips. but I remember reading in TOP that (AA)A should be slowplayed but smaller trips shouldn't.

I'm just playing .5/1 right now to get my feet wet. the ante structure is so high that I'm sure I'm playing way too tight.

Party Poker 0.50/1 (0.25 ante) Seven Card Stud High (8 handed)

3rd Street: (4 SB) Hero is Seat 4 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img](8 players)Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Action: Seat 8 brings it in for $0, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Seat 5 calls, 1 fold, Seat 7 calls,25,

4th Street: (7 SB) Hero catches T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Action: Seat 7 checks, Seat 8 bets, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 calls, Hero raises, Seat 5 calls, Seat 7 folds, Seat 8 calls, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 calls.

5th Street: (8.50 BB) Hero catches 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Action: Seat 2 bets, Hero raises, Seat 5 calls, Seat 8 calls, Seat 1 calls $1 (All-In), Seat 2 calls.

6th Street: (17.50 BB) Hero catches 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Action: Seat 5 checks, Seat 8 checks, Seat 2 checks, Hero bets, Seat 5 calls, Seat 8 calls, Seat 2 calls.

7th Street: (21.50 BB) Hero catches Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
Seat 5 checks, Seat 8 bets, Seat 2 folds, Hero raises, Seat 5 folds, Seat 8 3-bets, Hero caps, Seat 8 calls.

Final Pot: 29.50 BB
Main Pot: 13.50 BB, between Seat 1, Hero and Seat 8. > Pot won by Hero (13.50 BB).
Pot 2: 16 BB, between Hero and Seat 8. > Pot won by Hero (16 BB).

Results in white below: 
Seat 1 shows 8d Ac Jd 6d 5c Js As (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero shows 4d 4h 4s Td 9c 9d Qs (full house, fours full of nines).
Seat 8 shows 7c 6h 2h 6c 5s 4c 3d (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Hero wins 29.50 BB.

Chris Daddy Cool · #2 07-12-2004, 03:02 AM

I guess the major question you're asking is whether or not to complete 3rd street or not. With the weaklings that play these games, I don't even think they would think twice about your complete... though if it were more shorthanded or with smarter tougher players, calling to suck them in is fine.

Obviously the other streets are well played. Don't stop clicking bet/raise.

BTW, like I said in your earlier post, you may actually want to start off at a higher limit like 1/2 where you may feel like you're not pressured to play more hands because of the antes.

sthief09 · #3 07-12-2004, 03:15 AM

well, in my life, I've played under 100 stud hands, so I just wanted to spend a night getting accomodated with the game.

sthief09 · #4 07-12-2004, 03:34 AM

on second thought, .5/1 is too bad. I just had a pair of tens showing, and I got called by a guy with a pair of fours.

Chris Daddy Cool · #5 07-12-2004, 03:50 AM

Pooh-Bah Stief09 knows he can beat this game with his eyes closed, 100 hands or not. Pooh-Bah Stief should move up! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

studplaya · #6 07-12-2004, 06:45 AM

first of all u should play the paradise .50/1.00 NO ANTE stud high game to get ur feet wet and I believe Stars has a good one as well although I've never played there. That one on party poker absolutely sucks and is frankly unbeatable long term because of that ridiculously high ante structure. You'll just obviously have to adjust ur starting requirements to extremely tight on 3rd in a no ante game, but it's probably the best way to learn.

As to the issue of your rolled up 4's and how to best play them, as always with poker it "depends". In general small trips should be played fast and more aggressively as they are vulnerable more so to drawing hands, but ur position, the action before it gets to you, the structure of the game, liveness of opponents cards should all be taking into consideration before deciding what to do. Roy Wests book is great for beginners by the way..good luck

Michael Davis · #7 07-12-2004, 06:59 AM

How does a high ante structure make a game unbeatable? Taken to the extreme, it necessitates serious alterations from normally solid strategy, but does not make the game unbeatable, no?

-Michael

PoorLawyer · #8 07-12-2004, 10:15 AM

Stars has a .10 ante and you can bet/raise whatever you like and nobody will fold. I was playing yesterday and had As full of K's with all the Aces face up and some guy caught quad 9's on the river!

patrick dicaprio · #9 07-13-2004, 07:12 PM

unless you are against good players you usually should raise with rolled up trips if they are low to medium. the reason is that you will be called anyway and you want as many callers as you can get. you will make money for sure raising here as opposed to calling.

note that at higher limits raising is often correct also but the reason is that you can disguise your hand better. but not always of course.

Pat

patrick dicaprio · #10 07-13-2004, 07:15 PM

it will happen because the variation is higher the rake is high and you cant protect your hand.

by the way i am of the opinion that NO ONE should ever play that low, ante or not. most 1-5 games are soft enough that you can beat them easily. in my life i started out at 1-5, played about 5 hours and then moved up to 5-10 the same day.

Pat