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Old 06-27-2004, 06:30 PM
asdf1234 asdf1234 is offline
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Default Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>

What should my plan be here?
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Old 06-27-2004, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

I think you can go for a check-raise here, as button will probably auto-bet if checked to. If it's bet before you, go ahead and raise. He probably won't three-bet AK or AQ here, so if he does you can put him on an overpair and fold the turn unimproved.

Just my 2 cents, I might be wrong.

NT
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Old 06-27-2004, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

With the pot being the size it is trapping opponents for more bets with a checkraise shouldn't be the first priority. Trying to clear the field should. The problem is the pot is so big that any hands with overcards to your 9's are still making a profitable call if you bet when checked to and raised by the button. That is the line I'm gonna take on the flop though if I get checked to. The raise if bet into sounds right though.


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Old 06-27-2004, 08:44 PM
Rico Suave Rico Suave is offline
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

Allan:


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Trying to clear the field should. The problem is the pot is so big that any hands with overcards to your 9's are still making a profitable call if you bet when checked to and raised by the button. That is the line I'm gonna take on the flop though if I get checked to

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I think I agree here, but when the button raises and UTG folds, then how do you proceed. flop 3-bet? check call down unless an A or K hit?


I have trouble playing this type of situation as well.

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Old 06-27-2004, 08:55 PM
joker122 joker122 is offline
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

Allan,
A flop CR here isn't to trap people for bets. It's more to take control of the hand and try to make the button [incorrectly] fold his overcards on the flop or turn.

However, I like the idea of betting into him here. He'll probably pop it with a hand like AK or AQ and will give you a chance to 3 bet him. If he caps it I'd fold the turn unimproved.
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Old 06-27-2004, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

If you are gonna checkraise I imagine close to everyone who called preflop is gonna call a single bet before you complete your checkraise raise, they are also going to call the checkraise. So trapping people for more bets is a byproduct of that line. It's counterproductive to what we need to do here, because the real idea is to get as many folds on the flop as we can.


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Old 06-27-2004, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

Like I said, I like leading out here. If it's HU I'm checkraising though.
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Old 06-27-2004, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: Medium overpair against preflop 3-bet

The later streets always leave me wondering how to play these spots as well. Obviously we're hoping our opponent is raising with overcards. But as to how to play the later streets I am usually just calling down.

Allan
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Old 06-27-2004, 11:23 PM
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Default How it actually went down

I bet out, the button raised, UTG called, I 3-bet, both call.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, both call.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet, both call.

Button has AJo, UTG has 33. I win [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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