More Poor Play?

[soda]

OK, another hand that I'm not sure about. I think I need to tighten up my play. Without any further prompting by me, what are your thoughts on this hand?

Thank you,

soda


Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, BB raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (14.33 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (18.33 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 20.33 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Qd Jd (flush, queen high).
MP3 shows Kh Kc (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 20.33 BB. </font>

[Ezcheeze]

You should be folding preflop. Your hand is likely beaten if not dominated.

Post flop play looks fine.

-Ezcheeze

[SGS]

I'd fold this one pre-flop.

SGS

[soda]

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I'd fold this one pre-flop.

SGS

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That's good - I was thinking this was a bad call.

Now, what about hands like KQs and AJs in the same situation - call or fold?

Thank you,

soda

[Ezcheeze]

Still folds, the idea is that you don't want to play hands that are likely dominated. The exception is if you KNOW the raiser is a loose raiser so that your hand is most likely good, then you should 3 bet instead of folding.


-Ezcheeze

[SGS]

Those two hands would largely depend on your opponent. But w/ neither of them am I calling. I would either fold or 3-bet depending on opponent.

SGS

[soda]

OK guys, I get the picture... I'm sooo used to having to play these hands... because of the looser raises in 6 handed. My mind screams reraise or at least call AJs or KQs.

Let's take it up a notch further. Same situation, except the raiser now has a caller. So, it's raise, cold call and I have AJs or KQs... can I call now or is it still a muck?

Thanks again,

soda