Great read or suicide?

[riverboatking]

first of all youngpoker there are seven other clubs possible but only three not four clubs beat me and it seems like no one even bothered to address my thought process which is a shame. its like you guys look at the board and then automatically put the guy on the nuts. did no one bother to analyze the way he played? no one else thought it was strange and not fitting of someone who actually had the nuts or any flush at all? it saddens me a little that everyone just seems perfectly willing to lay down a hand without thinking it through.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 ($325.75)
<font color="C00000">UTG+2 ($710.55)</font>
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($98)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($117.65)
<font color="C00000">Hero ($99.75)</font>
SB ($119.20)
BB ($96)
UTG ($83)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 calls $2, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $11.

Turn: ($34) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+2 bets $40</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $86.75 (All-In)</font>, UTG+2 calls $46.75.

River: ($207.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $207.50
<font color="green">Main Pot: $207.50, between UTG+2 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Hero ($207.50).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG+2 shows Ks 8h (one pair, eights).
Hero shows 9c 6c (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins $207.50. </font>

it seemed pretty clear to me at the time that his big bet on the turn which would force me to play for my stack was not the A of clubs. if he had the nuts he would know i didn't and therefore might try to get some value rather then simply take the pot down. and if he had either the K or T of clubs why push it so hard? it just didn't make any sense. i wish some of you would have done what i did and put yourself not in my shoes but in his. if you had the A K or T of clubs would you have played it how he did...and be honest don't just say yes cuz you know i pushed.

[2283]

your opponent must have been on something to make that call.

[YoungPoker2]

What I'm trying to say is that you never should've been playing that hand in the first place. There is no thought process for playing 96, suited or not, on the button, or in any position. I just don't see what kind of thought process/beat you were on betting that big on that flop, then calling the big bet on the turn. I don't think he was trying to buy the pot on the turn, because he called your outrageous bet on the flop and probably figured you for 2 pair and knew you'd call. All in all, I would never ever play this hand from my experience, and I definitely wouldn't call with a 9 high flush.

[Michael Davis]

Playing any hand on the button in an unraised pot in no limit is not even that wrong. Playing 96s here is automatic.

-Michael

[DjSkyy]

Playing 69s on the button after a few limpers is debatable in NL, but to say that it's "automatic" i believe is wrong. Few things, if any, should ever be automatic in NL imo.
IN regards to the hand in question, i vote for suicide on the turn, you shoulda probably muck your hand.

[Michael Davis]

"it seemed pretty clear to me at the time that his big bet on the turn which would force me to play for my stack was not the A of clubs. if he had the nuts he would know i didn't and therefore might try to get some value rather then simply take the pot down."

This is a statement I strongly disagree with. I frequently see players moving all-in with the nuts, and do so myself. After all, why wouldn't I if they're calling with fourth and fifth nut and the like?

-Michael

[sdplayerb]

Yes I still do make a big bet here (i usually bet around 75% of the pot) worried that you had flopped a set and have a full house draw. I don't want to give you a cheap draw on that.
I think the info you gave on this player was wrong since he is clearly awful in that he called your allin raise with next to nothing.

[Manimal]

My guess is that he though he had the Kc, not Ks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The opponent is absolutely terrible, calling on the flop with no hand and no draw, and then calling an all in with 3rd pair.

As for your question about what the board members would do with the nuts, occasionally, I'd make a decent sized bet in early position, just because of the deception factor. More times than not, though, I think I'd check raise all in.