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Old 06-11-2004, 01:53 AM
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Anything from the Ken Warren collection should be avoided like the plague.

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Ditto. In his book I have he says "Look for tables with players with tatoos, cause people with tatoos usually suck at poker"

He honestly wrote that.
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Old 06-11-2004, 02:12 AM
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ya know if we all wrote a book about bad beats, they would all be the same, everyone has their share of bad beats, there nothing special about his. he just happeens to be a little bitch about it
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Old 06-11-2004, 02:12 AM
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you've got to be kiddin me!
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Old 06-11-2004, 03:33 AM
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you've got to be kiddin me!

If only I were... from Phil's website:

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My second poker related book, entitled "Bad Beats and Lucky Draws" (again with Harper/Collins) will be out in October, 2004.

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I expect him to sell AT LEAST nine copies within the first year...
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Old 06-11-2004, 03:38 AM
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Phil Hellmuth is an incredible poker player, and his book is great for someone who is a novice at hold 'em.

Phil would have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE in the $15-$30 game at the Bellagio. Frankly, I'm not sure he could beat the $4-$8 game there. I am not exaggerating. If he can beat that $4-$8 game, he can do so for no more than maybe $4/hour.

That he feels he is authoritative enough to write a book about beating limit hold 'em cash games is absurd.

He is a strong no limit tournament player, but that does not an "incredible poker player" make...
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Old 06-11-2004, 04:26 AM
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Lou Krieger's books are a waste.
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Old 06-11-2004, 04:40 AM
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agreed Ed. his limit hold-em strategy is flat-out bizarre.


here are some other books from Mason's GTAOT that he rated poorly on his 1-10 scale.
again, this was before Phil's book....which i am guessing would rate a 2 at best.

The Computer Guide to Hold-Em Poker (2) - by Robert Zahrobsky - This book is a good example of how a little knowledge can be dangerous. Zahrobsky says that 2 overcards on the flop that also provide and inside straight draw are marginal hands at best.

Eight or Better, High-Low Split, Seven Stud (1) - K.A. Coddington - If you want to lose your money fast, this is a good book to read.

Omaha Hi-lo Eight or Better (?) - K.A. Coddington - I haven't read the book yet, but i suspect that this text is of the same quality.


Hold-Em Poker for Winners (1) - Carl Anderson - Without a doubt, this is one of the worst books ever written on the game of poker. I found much of the book totally unintelligible and parts of the book just plain silly. The game situations that are described in this book are totally ridiculous.

Money Poker (1) - Mr. X as told to Walter Gibson - Definately one of the worst books ever written on poker. Mr. X has no idea of how the game is played. On the other hand, if I made four of a kind as often as he did, I wouldn't need to know how to play either.

Cappelletti on Omaha (3)

Programmed Poker (1) by Jim Glenn

Winning California Poker (1) Vern Albery - I find it very hard to believe that this book was written by a professional player.

How to win at stud poker (2) - James Wickstead - Contains almost no worthwhile information.

Poker: 101 Ways to Win (1) - Andy Nelson - Includes ideas like to only play the very best hands when on a losing streak, and (my favorite) when running bad, and you win a couple of pots and get close to even, cash out - don't fall into the trap of giving it back.

Winning Low Limit Holdem (4) - Lee Jones - His preflop play is too tight, he doesn't recognize the value of small pairs, and he frequently over rates unsuited medium cards. I can't read more than a few paragraphs without seeing osmething i disagree with. For instance, he points out that when you flop second or bottom pair you should check and fold because with "many opponents, at least one of them will have a top pair or better."

HoldEm Excellence (3) - Lou Krieger

Winners Guide to Texas Holdem Poker (2) - Ken Warren - Warren tells you that hold-em is mainly a "showdown game" but recommends some bluffing when the pots are big. He also seems to believe in cycles and contends that if you follow these cycles you can switch from playing high cards to low cards, and when on a rush - "the problem come in knowing when to stop pushing your luck." Warren also seems to be completely unaware of the size of the pot.
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Old 06-11-2004, 07:26 AM
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You're telling me that someone who has played winning professional poker for the past 30 years cannot beat the $15-$30 at the Bellagio? Phil got his start playing limit poker up in Wisconsin.

Ed, I really respect your posts but this seems an outlandish statement. It's just so easy to dislike Hellmuth that I think no one gives him credit.

I guess that's part of poker, part of life.
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Old 06-11-2004, 07:42 AM
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I was just watching Phil play the UB 25/50 NL game and I was not very impressed. For one, he seemed a little too loose in calling pf raises, aka calling a pot sized raise with A6s.

It was particulary funny when he got his aces cracked by J3s that hit a flush, where he ranted quite a bit.
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Old 06-11-2004, 09:13 AM
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