Starting the "suited connectors suck" campaign........

[sthief09]

suited connectors are not profitable unless you play them in the right conditions. these are some of the important factors when considering playing a suited connector:

- you will have the button on all 3 streets
- the game isn't too aggressive
- it's not likely to get raised after you limp
- you are guaranteed a 5-6 way pot
- your opponents play poorly post-flop

if you don't full all 5 requirements, you should seriously consider mucking.

do any of you really play 98s-65s regularly and turn a profit?

[DanTheCardMan]

I couldn't disagree more. 97s is one of my favorite hands. I've also found that varying your play by raising preflop with no-gap suited connectors from MP or even 1-2 gappers like T7s on the button helps take down a lot of pots when the table is moderate to tight. Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table. Muck them only if there's 2 raises in front of you, and even then not necessarily, especially if you have several callers.

In fact just the other night I preflop raised from MP with 65s, nobody called by the SB..flop came AKK, checked to me, I bet, he folded. Not a big pot but it worked out.

[sublime]

One time at poker camp.......

I saw Bunky 3 bet with 98s from the button and spank some fish ass......

[pudley4]

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Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table.

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So you want to play a drawing hand, out of position, against an aggressive opponent, for 2 bets preflop?

That sounds like an awful situation.

[sthief09]

if you keep raising 97s in MP, you're going to lose all your money

the hand where you raised T7s after a tight limper with presumably loose blinds was terrible. you're remembering the times you win, but you forget that a lot of the time you're raising a limper that dominates your hand. why the hell would anyone want that?

[sublime]

I couldn't disagree more. 97s is one of my favorite hands. I've also found that varying your play by raising preflop with no-gap suited connectors from MP or even 1-2 gappers like T7s on the button helps take down a lot of pots when the table is moderate to tight. Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table. Muck them only if there's 2 raises in front of you, and even then not necessarily, especially if you have several callers.

I hope you are not waiting for me to defend this type of play [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[DanTheCardMan]

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if you keep raising 97s in MP, you're going to lose all your money

the hand where you raised T7s after a tight limper with presumably loose blinds was terrible. you're remembering the times you win, but you forget that a lot of the time you're raising a limper that dominates your hand. why the hell would anyone want that?

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I don't do it ALL the time. Just if the situation seems right. Often I will go ahead and muck T7s and even 97s. I'm sure you realize it's all situational, and in HE it's post-flop play that really matters. (besides, T7s might be a 55-45 dog against 55, and a significant dog against QQ, and even money against Kxs or Q9, so getting 4-way action on that hand isn't necessarily a losing proposition)

[DanTheCardMan]

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Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table.

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So you want to play a drawing hand, out of position, against an aggressive opponent, for 2 bets preflop?

That sounds like an awful situation.

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Not heads up. But in a mutli-way pot, yes. Especially if medium cards come on the flop and my opponents have me on big cards. Or big cards come and they don't have them.

[sthief09]

judging from your river check holding 97 on a board of JJ77x after everyone kept checking and calling to you, you don't play well post-flop, so you DEFINITELY shouldn't be making these moves.

-EV is -EV, whether you do it occasionally or all the time. Raising 97s isn't in MP a good move unless you are against the tightest players.

you are overly cocky, you think you know it all, you come here, post a hand you botched terribly, then you start talking about how making these variance moves with medium 1 and 2 gaps is a smart play.

I'm really not trying to be a dick. when I came here I thought I was good. then I realized how crappy I was. hopefully you'll realize this too, because otherwise you're going to lose all your money.

[bunky9590]

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One time at poker camp.......

I saw Bunky 3 bet with 98s from the button and spank some fish ass......

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Notice it was 98s, notice further it was on the button.

Notice thirdly I took control of the hand with position.

Notice fouthly my opponents played HORRIBLY postflop.

Sthief is 100% correct. I am a suited connector fan WITH position. Though i don't always raise )or three bet) in that situation.