Not folding soon enough? (2 hands)

[Wada]

On both of the following hands - to minimize losses - should I have folded sooner???

Hand 1 -
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Preflop: Wada is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Wada raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, CO folds, Wada calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Wada folds, SB folds.

River: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows Ts Ad (two pair, aces and tens).
UTG shows Ac 5h (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 11 BB. </font>

Hand 2 -
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Preflop: Wada is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Wada completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players) </font>
Wada checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Wada calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
Wada checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Wada folds, BB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG+1 shows Qh Ah (two pair, queens and nines).
MP1 shows 7s Js (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 9.50 BB. </font>

[Matty]

Hand 1) With 5 players seeing the flop I'd fold to the flop raise.

Hand 2) I'd raise the flop. Mighta knocked UTG+1 out.

[RcrdBoy]

My advice is suspect at best. You've been warned. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hand #1 As weak as this sounds, I think you can fold this on the flop. A bet and a call with it headed back to the SB means you're probably beat here more often than not. I'd be tempted to raise the flop if there wasn't a caller in between me and the original flop bet to try and get this HU, but that just isn't going to happen here.

If you call the flop your outs on the turn might not be clean anyway.


Hand #2 I fold this on the flop. I played it for the set, the flop came with all over cards and a weak draw. I think chasing these hands is a money drain.

[Winwood]

I am the only one who though about raising the flop on Hand 1?