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Old 05-28-2004, 07:07 PM
MTrain MTrain is offline
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Default Cap this on the turn?

this is my first post w/ 2+2. thank you all for contributing to such a great site and in advance for your feedback on this hand.

bay 101 (San Jose), 20/40

table has been very active thanks to one maniac who raises every hand, generally to the river with just about anything and then folds to the re-raise on the river. i'm just waiting in line to cash a check at his expense.

folded to maniac, just in front of the button, who raises

button thinks and calls
sb calls
Hero calls in BB for 1 bet with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] figuring if he hits his hand (yes that's a bit of a laugh) he can get very big action from the maniac, making the fd + maniac payoff = worth one bet. thoughts?

flop comes 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks
Hero checks
maniac bets
button raises
SB folds
Hero re-raises
Maniac raises
button caps
Hero calls

turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero bets
Maniac calls
Button raises

-here's where i made the decision to cap this, and i'm not sure this was a good idea. at this point i think the Button would slow down with a set or two pair or an overpair. question: what could he be raising with given that he knows the maniac is going to call with even a pair or two overcards?

we cap the turn

river is Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

i check, manaic checks, button bets, i call, maniac calls

results posted

thanks...
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Old 05-28-2004, 07:09 PM
MTrain MTrain is offline
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Maniac shows 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Button takes it down with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: results

6 3 off got what it deserved. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: results

but it was SOOOOOOOTTEEED!!!!
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Old 05-29-2004, 08:55 AM
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Default Re: Cap this on the turn?

You are only behind to 9-6 with the idiot in between who's still calling. Yes cap the turn. Lead the river too, if raised again then just call. Unless the button way overplayed his hand, I think the 8 on the turn may have saved you half the pot.

j.k.
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:53 PM
Nightwish Nightwish is offline
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Default Re: Cap this on the turn?

I would not call this preflop. Yeah, the maniac is raising with any two cards, but it doesn't mean that you should be calling with any two cards. I know you're hoping for a flush draw, but the problem is that the maniac will make your draw very very expensive. Wait for a better chance where you can isolate the maniac with as little as A high as opposed to trying to draw out on him.

Anyway, I haven't looked at the results yet, but it's a mandatory 3-bet on the turn because the button could be raising with less than a straight. He wants to push you out and go heads up against the maniac. Make them both pay. At worst, you chop because I don't see the button having 96.
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Old 05-29-2004, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: Cap this on the turn?

Cap the turn and lead the river. You could very well be looking at a split with the button and you want the maniac in between to put in as many chips as possible.

Preflop: easy call.
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Old 06-02-2004, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: Cap this on the turn?

Thanks for your feedback. I was really on the fence as to whether this was worth a call preflop. I'm still not certain, given the maniac $$.

In retrospect, I would have capped the turn.
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