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Old 05-24-2004, 08:11 AM
kaf22 kaf22 is offline
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Default How badly did I screw up on these?

Hi folks,

Last night was my first attempt at the 1/2 tables. I noticed that there were an awful lot of aggressive bluffs, any sign of weakness was pounced on. Is this par for the course on the 1/2 tables?

Anyhow, on to the hand histories:

1) Other than the obvious mistake of slowplaying the flush on the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows 8d Kd (flush, king high).
MP2 shows 9h 5s (full house, fives full of nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins 14.50 BB. </font>

2) An hour or so later at a different table. I learned my lesson from the last hand and don't slowplay the flush.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
BB bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows 8h 8s (full house, eights full of tens).
Hero shows Ad Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins 13.75 BB. </font>

3) Yet another table, no clear reads. This guy just confused me, couldn't figure out for the life of me what he had. I was thinking it was a bluff at first.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Ac Td (two pair, tens and nines).
UTG+2 shows 3s 3d (full house, threes full of nines).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 14.25 BB. </font>

Hind-sight being 20/20, I see the following mistakes:

1) slowplayed the flush, got crushed
3) UTG raise was foolish

Thanks in advance for your help.
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Old 05-24-2004, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: How badly did I screw up on these?

I would suggest playing your flush draws more aggressively on the flop. I would have 3-bet hand 1 and definitely raise hand 2. There are many advantages to this including deception, possible turn "free card", and value.

Hand one I would have led out again on the turn and 3-bet if raised.

Hands 2 and 3 if your playing at a somewhat aggressive table as you described it and you are against opponents staying in with hands such as 9-5o and a pocket pair lower than the board I would probably not be slowing down as quickly as you did on the turn on hand 2 and 3-bet the turn on hand 3. But a lot of this is dependent on opponent reads.

I think the pf raise in hand three is better than just limping, although there are many who would advocate just limping with high offsuit hands as A-J or K-J. But I would normally fold A-10o from EP.
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Old 05-24-2004, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: How badly did I screw up on these?

First of all... Yes. As compaired to .5/1, there is more betting at weakness and more FPS at 1/2. It took me a while to get used to this. There is much more playing the player than the cards.

As for the hands:

Hand 1:
3-bet the flop and hope for a cap (the more money you can get in the pot w/ an A-high or K-high 4-flush on flop, the more money you will make in the long run if you have more than 2 callers) Plus a 3-bet here and BB hopefully raising may drive out MP2. Bet/Raise the turn - you made your hand. Tough luck on the river. I would bet the river for value and call a raise. Check-raising is costly when the board pairs.

Hand 2:
Raise the flop, even if you only have 2 potential callers since UTG folded. You have the nut flush draw, plus 6 outs for A and Q. Cap the turn. If you capped the turn and he bets the river, just call. AT is a possible hand.

Hand 3:
UTG w/ ATo... fold. UTG+1 raises on the turn, you are probably beat at this point. Check-call to the river. If you just called the turn, why lead out on the river?

In the first two hands, you just got beat. It's part of playing. The third hand, you got beat because you played ATo from UTG.
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: How badly did I screw up on these?

Hand 1:
Flop: I would have 3-bet and called a cap raise. The only reason to have completed with this hand is a flush, and you got the flush draw... bet it.
Turn: You hit your flush. Since BB raised on the flop, I would check raise here. Cap if you are reraised... You are only beaten here by an Ace high flush.
River: Bet out and call a raise. Shame the river paired up.

Hand 2:
Flop: You didn't learn you lesson. Build the pot and raise. Not only did you hit the nut flush draw, but you have position. You want to get as much in here as you can.
Turn: Fine.
River: Fine. Again, tough luck there, but what can you do?

Hand 3:
Preflop: FOLD! ATo UTG is not playable. Raising is even worse, now only better hands will be in the pot.
Flop and turn are fine, should have check/called the river when it paired up.
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: How badly did I screw up on these?

Hand1

3 bet the flop with trapped cold callers, commenting on your turn play after not three betting is tough but I will.

*note* if you get capped on the flop you are more then likely up against a set, so remember that on the river.

Turn After your *3-bet* I would just lead out as its pretty ovious what you are drawing to.
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Old 05-24-2004, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: How badly did I screw up on these?

Thank you all for your help. Hopefully the next time the 4-flush situation comes up I'll be able to "take off the skirt" and bet/raise hard.
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