Anyone fold preflop?

[TXTiger]

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero raises, CO folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.33 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (12.33 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.33 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Ah Qc (full house, nines full of queens).
Button shows Ks Ac (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.33 BB. </font>

I have seen the preflop 3 bettor 3 bet a flop with A8 (no pair) and play loose aggressive. I don't like putting in 2 more bets cold with AQo, but because of the players and their position I think my hand may not be dominated. I check raised on the flop because I'm sure the 3 bettor will bet, and I want anyone with a K, 9, or gutshot to fold because the pot is large. Comments?

[rigoletto]

No, but I usually raise!

[TXTiger]

I checked the river because I think he will bet more hands that I can beat than he will call with. Maybe that was a mistake since I may get crying calls from ace high due to the pot size. But this guy seemed like the type of LAG that would bluff on the end. I can't put him on an overpair since he has been calling, not raising. Also the bb calling along seems a little suspicious, even though a 9 is highly unlikely. He would have popped the turn with a 9. I could have raised the river, but I think I would only get a call from an overpair that was played weak. Maybe that was a mistake, since I am almost a lock to win here and he may make the crying call.

[risen]

I believe you're getting correct odds to call if you realize that an Ace isn't going to help your hand. What I am sure of is more people are going to tell you to fold on this board than will actually do it in a game situation.

Personally I'd go for the spite limp cap here, doing things for spite makes me smile. Which is a tell.

[TXTiger]

Rig,

I raise sometimes in this spot. In this game there were 2 people who were raising in lp trying to isolate the limper with almost any ace. I thought maybe someone with A8o would isolate me, but fold if I raised. I like limping with certain hands to foil these "isolate with any ace" players.

[rigoletto]

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Rig,

I raise sometimes in this spot. In this game there were 2 people who were raising in lp trying to isolate the limper with almost any ace. I thought maybe someone with A8o would isolate me, but fold if I raised. I like limping with certain hands to foil these "isolate with any ace" players.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with this! And I like your river check!

[Nightwish]

I would raise this preflop 100% of the time in a standard Party 15/30 game. In another post you say that you didn't want to raise because you're hoping that the Ax hands will try to isolate a limper behind you. OK, if you're playing against people who are that aggressive, why not limp 3-bet them? The limper will likely drop and you may very well end up heads up with the isolator. Having said that, I still prefer raising preflop because in my experience, the kind of people who will raise with any A are very often the same people who will call 2 cold with any A (especially if it's sooooted).

Flop and turn are fine, but why are you check-calling on the river? Do you think your opponent has a 9? KK or AA? I think you don't have to worry too much about a 9, and you probably don't have to worry about KK or AA either. The reason is that he failed to 3-bet the flop or raise the turn. Very few people will play KK or AA that way. Your hand is good, either check-raise or bet out (depending upon whether you think your opponent will bet if checked to).

[TXTiger]

"In another post you say that you didn't want to raise because you're hoping that the Ax hands will try to isolate a limper behind you. OK, if you're playing against people who are that aggressive, why not limp 3-bet them?"

It was already 3 bet before it got back to me.


"Flop and turn are fine, but why are you check-calling on the river? Do you think your opponent has a 9? KK or AA? I think you don't have to worry too much about a 9, and you probably don't have to worry about KK or AA either. The reason is that he failed to 3-bet the flop or raise the turn. Very few people will play KK or AA that way. Your hand is good, either check-raise or bet out (depending upon whether you think your opponent will bet if checked to)."

I think you are correct and I should have raised the river. See my comments below from another post. Thanks for your comments.

"I checked the river because I think he will bet more hands that I can beat than he will call with. Maybe that was a mistake since I may get crying calls from ace high due to the pot size. But this guy seemed like the type of LAG that would bluff on the end. I can't put him on an overpair since he has been calling, not raising. Also the bb calling along seems a little suspicious, even though a 9 is highly unlikely. He would have popped the turn with a 9. I could have raised the river, but I think I would only get a call from an overpair that was played weak. Maybe that was a mistake, since I am almost a lock to win here and he may make the crying call."

[Germane]

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[CrackerZack]

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