Great fold or horrible fold?

[Jamie Collins]

Party 15-30: I have K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB. 3 limpers, button raises. SB folds, the rest call.

Not much on the button - seems a little loose.

Flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Button opens - I cr. UTG calls. I have no read yet on UTG.
The rest fold.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] -- I check fold to his bet.

Critique appreciated!

Regards,
Jamie

[legend42]

"Great fold or horrible fold?"

Somewhere in between, I'd say, leaning ever so slightly towards great. I think you should have bet the turn.

[amerksmann22]

I think it is a good fold.

He is calling two cold with the button still to act (he bet the flop, i think)
Therefore, I dont think he is going to bluff here and the smooth call is a huge indicator that he has a 5 beat for sure mostly like has a T but he could have something like 88, 99 but I think he would have bet then.

Good Fold!

[andyfox]

Most average players, with a ten here, will check to the pre-flop raiser and then, when you check-raise, just call, especially with two three players still to act behind him.

A better player might well realize the button is unlikely to have a ten and, if you have one, you're unlikely to check-raise and lock out the others.

Most players are average.

I find when I have K-5 out of position, it's pretty hard to get past the turn too.

[Jamie Collins]

Thanks for the response Andy.

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I find when I have K-5 out of position, it's pretty hard to get past the turn too.

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Respectfully, I'm not sure what you're implying here. Bad preflop call? Bad flop cr? Bad turn check fold?

or "I would have played it the same, dems da breaks" ?

Thanks!

Regards,
Jamie

[Senor Choppy]

All you can hope for here is your opponent being nuts, unless he happens to have 44-22 eactly.

Bet the turn just in case since the pot is a decent size, but give up if he sticks around.

[andyfox]

Fold pre-flop.

[amerksmann22]

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Fold pre-flop.


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Prolly the best advice. If you do call you are playing for a big hand and big flop. Trips or a flsuh...a pair of 5s was not your intention when you called.

You are getting 5.5-1 on the call but I think this is one of those hands that you lose more when you are 2nd best then you win when you hit the flush and so forth.

[Dynasty]

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Fold pre-flop.

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Terrible. There are four other players in the pot and you should expect to get 9.67:1 on this pre-flop call.

You seem much too scared of getting involved with hands that are "just King high" or "just Queen high".

[Robk]

I think folding is the wrong choice. You don't know any thing about your opponent. He could be tight, in which case your fold saves you two bets (or maybe one if you bet and fold to a raise). Or he could be loose, in which case your fold likely costs you 8 bets as he could have overcards (to the five, even), 5 worse kicker, 22-44. When you don't know your opponent, you shouldn't assume that he is "average" and play accordingly. You have to consider your EV against the distribution of opponent types. The most obvious example is folding on the end when the pot is big and you can only beat a bluff. Even if the chances are very small that your opponent is an incessant bluffer, and very high that he is a conservative opponent who rarely bluffs, calling is the right play even though it's much more likely to be wrong against the particular guy you're up against.