Passivity lost the pot

dana33 · #1 05-02-2004, 12:55 PM

I think my failure to bet out on the flop (and follow through) cost me the pot here. I didn't bet because I was "afraid" of the pre-flop raiser. (Why? Who knows. The worst he could have done is raise me.)

Questions:

1. Given that I didn't bet out, should I have tried to recover by 3-betting the flop?

2. What could I have done on the turn here? Bet out? 3-bet? Is there any justification for cold-calling 2 bets here once I didn't bet out?

3. What hands do you put UTG and MP1 on?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (14 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG calls.

River: (18 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, SB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

tech · #2 05-02-2004, 04:31 PM

1. Yes, I would bet the flop. You will found out quickly if he was playing a big A. Otherwise, you are probably good. When it played out as it did, I would not 3-bet. It sure looks like someone hit two-pair, possibly a set.

2. You are probably behind, but the pot is big enough that you want a chance to win it. I think a call is easily justified here. Then check/call the river.

3. Looks like two pair or a set, but they are going to have to show me.

sublime · #3 05-02-2004, 05:26 PM

I have the solution to all your post flop questions. Fold pre-flop.

If somebody raises from UTG and you dont know for sure that he is a maniac, you must fold this hand.

dana33 · #4 05-04-2004, 03:31 PM

UTG and MP1 both show A6o for a chop. By getting me to fold, MP1's aggression won himself a share of a big pot (and put me on tilt for the next 20 minutes [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]).

Rico Suave · #5 05-04-2004, 03:37 PM

Sublime:

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I have the solution to all your post flop questions. Fold pre-flop.

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We finally agree on something today [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] .

--Rico

sublime · #6 05-04-2004, 03:37 PM

Ohh well. Now you know he will raise with Axo junk, note it and move on.

In the future, just muck this hand.

sublime · #7 05-04-2004, 03:38 PM

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We finally agree on something today

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LOL [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Only problem is its the first time I was right today....And it was Sunday. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]