From the pages of HPFAP

[bigsooner]

In the loose games section of HPFAP there is a detailed disctiption of this play, KK or QQ in the BB with a EP raise and several cold callers, it was not about wussing out there are manny reasons.

[PokerBob]

I think you may be giving many of your opponents too much credit. By raising you may be giving them odds to chase post flop, but are you sure they understand odds?

[bigsooner]

you are exactly right they dont understand these are the opp. you want to keep the pot small with that way when they chase it is a mistake

[pheasant tail (no 18)]

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you are exactly right they dont understand these are the opp. you want to keep the pot small with that way when they chase it is a mistake

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I think your reasoning is mistaken here. If you are so interested in these bad players making mistakes, why not have them make a mistake in calling a three-bet preflop maybe a cap. That's really a mistake. And if you are so sure that they will chase, you might as well get your money in while you problably have the best hand. Then let them correctly pay to catch up.

QQ will not win too many pots unimpproved against 5 players who will chase irregardless of odds. Why not make these type of players pay dearly when you spike your set.

I think that most players (I don't play online so I don't know these players) do respond to size of pots and you may have reason to keep pot relatively small pf in hopes of manipulating field later. But this depends on their having some sense, if they have none, you must get your money in preflop.

PT

Only in heads up situation can ftop be strictly assumed to be true. All mistakes by opponents do not put money in your pocket in long run, just most of them.

[PokerBob]

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If you are so interested in these bad players making mistakes, why not have them make a mistake in calling a three-bet preflop maybe a cap.

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Well stated. When the pot is large, they are correct to chase, but you are correct to bet the best hand. Make them PAY. Raise pre-flop.

[eh923]

The loose section in HPFAP is not aimed at no fold 'em hold 'em like Party 2/4. (note - From a lot of other posts, majorkong's soon-to-be-released book appears to address these games better)

There are many reasons? What reasons are you referring to? The typical one I see on these posts is about manipulating pot odds, etc...which still is a bit shady against our low limit friends.

In a game where so many folks will call any A pre-flop, or sometimes any K, I'd rather give UTG the opportunity to cap it. This MIGHT help clean up some outs, and it also gives me some info early about how much he and the cold-callers like their hands.