Annoying hand I lost

[Vehn]

Do you fold nut no pair when you get raised on the flop, call, and then your opponent checks behind you on the turn on a very draw-ey board and then bets the river when its a brick?

[mike l.]

"Do you fold nut no pair when you get raised on the flop, call, and then your opponent checks behind you on the turn on a very draw-ey board and then bets the river when its a brick?"

more often than not. see AK has changed a lot over the past few years. it no longer has the value it used to. so often nowadays you can bet the flop, check the turn, and then fold very reliably on the river when your opponent bets into you. they just have any pair so so often and theyre putting you exactly on AK or AQ and figure you will call. so this call w/ AK thing is becoming extinct.

of course some boards and some players it's almost always right to call (or push harder with it elsewhere in the hand). but generally AK is a loser against two players showing interest and then one betting into you on the river. this was all kind of muddled but i think you know what im talking about.

[shemp]

For the bad breath guy, you could offer the person some gum. While many people do little to zero breath maintenance, they will often leap at a free opportunity. I have done this twice and it has helped. As for the body odor, sorry about that, out of soap and shampoo, I conducted my once every five year ritual of trying to bathe with conditioner -- it still doesn't work, and I remain stumped about what conditioner is for then.

[hillbilly]

"Weak tight mike l. doesn't give advice as well as maniac mike l."

weak tight mike l. will just have to take solace with his larger bankroll...picking your spots is the key, i don't like this spot either...

[SinCityGuy]

You need to dump this after getting raised and cold-called on the flop. The board is fairly coordinated, and your only definite clean outs are the non-spade jacks.

[Vehn]

Why don't I just check fold every time I don't flop top pair or an over pair and then feed my kids from my winnings that way?

[SinCityGuy]

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Why don't I just check fold every time I don't flop top pair or an over pair and then feed my kids from my winnings that way?

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Because that would be overly weak/tight.

However, when you show preflop strength, then get raised and cold-called on THAT board, then it's time to muck the hand.

[Clarkmeister]

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Why don't I just check fold every time I don't flop top pair or an over pair and then feed my kids from my winnings that way?

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Because that would be overly weak/tight.

However, when you show preflop strength, then get raised and cold-called on THAT board, then it's time to muck the hand.

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Ummm, no. Gabe noted many times that he does better in Vegas than LA because the locals fold WAY too much. This is an excellent example.

[Tyler Durden]

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Why don't I just check fold every time I don't flop top pair or an over pair and then feed my kids from my winnings that way?

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You have kids?? Aiii-yah.

[SinCityGuy]

Without the knowledge of how the hand eventually played out, how good are you really going to feel if an ace or king comes on the turn, especially if it's a spade? With that flop and subsequent betting action by TWO opponents, it's entirely possible that Vehn is drawing to three jacks.