Has 3x become 4x?

[SossMan]

3x bb always has been the "standard" preflop open raise for many players.
I find that I get too many callers w/ 3x. I'm talking about hands that would just as soon take the blinds as see a flop or face an all in reraise. AQ,AJ,88-JJ, etc...

How much is everyone else's "standard" raise?

[AceKQJT]

Hi Soss,

I've been kind of feeling my way around this issue myself. I pretty much consider 3xBB my minimum standard raise, now. Early stages with loose players, I'm liable to go 4 or even 5xBB, but I play it by ear. If I see someone come in for 3xBB and get 3 callers, and I draw AJ the next hand, I will probably come in for 5xBB. I think that as the blind level increases (and the field narrows), a 3xBB standard raise produces the desired results. Early stages (ie., looser players) require either a larger standard raise or a fold (or maybe a call is justified in some instances). It all ends up back at the *feel* thing. Texture of the table, blah blah blah.

Oh yeah...I just found out my wife's been cheating on me, so I';m a little drunk right noew. Don't listen to me if you can help it.

--Casey

[AceKQJT]

I can't believe I just posted that!

[RollaJ]

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I can't believe I just posted that!

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You just found out? I've known for 3 months now

[theBruiser500]

RolloJ and AceKQJT, I'm the one that's been having an affair with your wives.

danny

[Greg (FossilMan)]

Not in my world. I just don't feel it's worth risking 4x to win 1.5x. If I raise 3x with AK or a decent pair, and they call me with mediocre hands like AT, KJ, or 44, so be it. I expect to win more than I lose postflop anyway, and even more so when I start with the best hand.

In fact, I like to raise somewhat less than 3x. For example, when the blinds are 50,100 on Pokerstars, I usually raise to 280. It works just as well as 300, and saves me 20 when it doesn't work out so well.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[CrisBrown]

Hi All,

A bit of fun mathematical chicanery:

Assume: a + b = c

Therefore:

(4a - 3a) + (4b - 3b) = (4c - 3c)

4a + 4b - 4c = 3a + 3b - 3c

4(a + b - c) = 3(a + b - c) ... cancel common factors ... and ...

4 = 3

So ... there's no difference between a 3xBB open-raise and a 4xBB open raise.

Cris

[mosch]

I knew you were a novelist. Are you also a ninth grade algebra teacher? I remember that one from long, long ago [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[eastbay]

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Hi All,

A bit of fun mathematical chicanery:

Assume: a + b = c

Therefore:

(4a - 3a) + (4b - 3b) = (4c - 3c)

4a + 4b - 4c = 3a + 3b - 3c

4(a + b - c) = 3(a + b - c) ... cancel common factors ... and ...

4 = 3

So ... there's no difference between a 3xBB open-raise and a 4xBB open raise.

Cris

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Gee, that's one high-stakes tournament...

eastbay

[spoody]

Greg,

What do you think about raising 2x in early position, and then escalating that to 3x as you get closer to the button. Also only raising 2x as the small blind when Blind v Blind?

Thanks
Spoody