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Old 02-28-2004, 11:32 PM
StellarWind StellarWind is offline
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Default Dump KQo?

Paradise 1/2. Fairly loose, fairly aggressive.

Hero is Button with KQo.

9 players: UTG raises, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero folds ...

I did not enjoy watching the play of this hand. Is this missed opportunity my fault or did I make the right play?
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Old 02-28-2004, 11:35 PM
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Default Re: Dump KQo?

Should be an easy fold without a read.
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Old 02-28-2004, 11:50 PM
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Easy fold
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Old 02-29-2004, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: Dump KQo?

I don't even think I'd play this in a 6-max game. Easy fold.
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Old 02-29-2004, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: Dump KQo?

In a 6 max game I'd *probably* play, but it's not guaranteed (suited I'd play for sure). In a full ring - easy fold.
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Old 02-29-2004, 04:07 AM
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Default Re: Dump KQo?

Ok, take my advice with about eight grains of salt because K-Qoff is one of the hands where I'm most unsure about how to play.

The standard advice is to consider an early position raise to be a much stronger hand than a late position raise. Except my experience in micro-limit is that I don't see that that's true. Most of the players seem to have hands that they will raise with in any position.

Suppose you knew UTG had A-J. Would you call? I think the only hands you really don't want to call here are AA, KK, A-K or A-Q. If UTG will raise with a much larger variety of hands I like a call or even a raise (ok, usually not a raise). Maybe you get this hand three handed and if a king or a queen falls I tend to like your hand.

CO doesn't have AA or KK, and probably doesn't have A-K. He might have Queens or A-Q but again, it looks like there are a lot of hands he might call with that you don't mind playing against...

Heck, if nothing else you've got position in this hand. Are you a good post flop player?

On the other hand, I don't think you ever go wrong folding pre-flop in limit when you don't like the action in front of you, or your position, or anything else. Its so cheap to just sit there in a nine handed game waiting for cards, position, and situations that you really do like.

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Old 02-29-2004, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: Dump KQo?

Dump it. You're dominated by so many hands that the UTG raiser could be raising with: AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ. KQo is not the kind of hand you generally want to be calling raises with.
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Old 02-29-2004, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: Dump KQo?

Thanks to all. I needed a little reinforcement. I was afraid the KQ rule might come with a many callers exception.

UTG raised with JJ at almost the same time the big JJ raise/limp thread started. CO dragged a big pot with a junk queen. Not that I'm bitter or anything [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img].
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