the only people opposed to gay marriage are closeted gays

[andyfox]

"The fear of the "other" has always, to some extent, been a fear of becoming the other."

Saying "always, to some extent" is a perfect example of poor writing. So:

The fear of the "other" has often involved fear of becoming the other.

Better?

[superleeds]

It is ridiculous not because of your reply but because the only people who have 'murdered in the name of Christ' are those people who have 'murdered in the name of christ'.

It is the same as saying my green thing is greener than your red thing

[MMMMMM]

Fine. Also, I wasn't trying to criticize your writing, but was taking exception because I took what you wrote literally. I think you generally have many worthy thoughts to express on these forums. Sometimes, though, a little word or two really can make a difference.

[angry young man]

you're right that his wording probably wasn't the same as his intention.

Incidently I would argue that no Christian has ever murdered in the name of Christ (killed maybe, murdered no) as committing murder and being Christian (=Christ-like) are mutually exclusive.

[superleeds]

[superleeds]

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But the 80-100 million figure is not counting war dead; it is simply the number of people slaughtered internally by the USSR and Communist China.

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Stalin and Mao would not admit they were murder. To them they were at war, a war to control the hearts and minds of thier people and so their victims were legitamate targets.

For instance I don't hold Churchill responsible for innocent deaths during the Dresden Bombing Campaign, but he was well aware their would be such deaths. He is not guilty because it was legitamate target during WW2. History is written by the victors. And I would suggest that official Chinese and Russian Literature does not allude to these massacres as murder, if indeed at all. But I do not know this for sure.

[MMMMMM]

Of course, no tyrant would likely admit that his political murders are anything but necessary. But regardless of what these tyrants would have said, I don't think that you or I have any doubt that Hitler's gassing of the Jews, or Stalin's purges and gulags, or Mao's purges and deliberately orchestrated famine, were anything less than murde, and on colossal scale.

[superleeds]

agreed.

I just love a good argument [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[andyfox]

Point well made. Thanks.