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Old 02-17-2004, 10:32 AM
Trix Trix is offline
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Default Good or bad river check

Party Poker 1/2 Hold 'Em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO-1 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (16.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB
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Old 02-17-2004, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: Good or bad river check

I would also check, but I often feel that I'm too weak in these spots.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: Good or bad river check

I'd bet. QJ is less likely because you have two of the Js.

The only thing that would stop me from betting is that I'm not completely sure you can fold to a check-raise. You're almost definitely beat if someone check-raises you, but you're hand isn't weak and it might be a bluff. Would you call a check-raise?

I find that river check-raises are one of my weakest areas, because I almost always pay off and am almost always beat (I'm beat more than pot odds would suggest calling).
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Good or bad river check

If I thought that any of the players were sufficiently dangerous to check raise here, I would check. Otherwise would bet.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:22 AM
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Default Re: Good or bad river check

Not having a read of the table, this is my impression.
MP1 and MP3 call on all streets, so my guess is flush/straigh draw. MP2 limps PF but bets into your PF raise on the flop and your flop raise on the turn. With the check on the K, I would put MP2 on top pair. However, with the MP1 and MP3 calling all the way I would be worried about the suckout K and check the river.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:26 AM
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Hi Trix,

Bet. The pot is so large that you are going to get a lot of crying calls with crap like bottom pair.

-Brian
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:31 AM
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Default Re: Good or bad river check

I think it's close but I would bet. MP1 is on a flush draw, MP2 has top pair perhaps better but then he should 3-bet, MP3 some sort of draw or middle pair and couldn't let go. I would bet...

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Old 02-17-2004, 12:23 PM
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Brian,

I would also bet here, but can you fold to a check-raise?
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:38 PM
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Hi Spam,

Depends on who raised, who called the raise, etc. Usually, no.

-Brian
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:39 PM
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MP1: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
MP2: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP3: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Check was good this time, but I should probably have bet though I wouldn´t like to call a checkraise.
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