$100 Party multi allin abuse

[MS Sunshine]

Below is a blatant all-in abuse in a Party $100 tournament, with 15 players left. The victim is iamlucky who I have played against many times, mostly at PS. He never complained about what happened, but wished everyone good luck. Mike, when is this [censored] going to stop?

MS Sunshine




***** Hand History for Game 362928615 *****
600/1200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 2085740) - Fri Jan 30 15:53:27 EST 2004
Table Multi-Table(8714) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: iamlucky (2708)
Seat 2: Lord888 (12392)
Seat 3: pilecki (13249)
Seat 4: thepiper (14999)
Seat 5: TaintedJack (7770)
Seat 6: bobw630 (4732)
Seat 7: leon6565 (1265)
Seat 8: jamesblond (19730)
Seat 9: SStol (4071)
Seat 10: ckruel (3157)
SStol posts small blind (300)
ckruel posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TaintedJack [ 2s, Th ]
iamlucky raises (1200) to 1200
Lord888 raises (1800) to 1800
pilecki folds.
thepiper folds.
TaintedJack folds.
bobw630 folds.
leon6565 folds.
jamesblond folds.
SStol folds.
ckruel folds.
iamlucky raises (1200) to 2400
iamlucky: fold
Lord888 could not respond in time.(disconnected)
Lord888 calls all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Kd, 4c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
Creating Main Pot with $4500 with Lord888
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4500 | Side Pot 1: 600
Board: [ Ts Kd 4c 8d 5c ]
iamlucky balance 908, bet 2400, collected 600, lost -1800 [ 9h 9d ] [ a pair of nines -- Kd,Ts,9h,9d,8d ]
Lord888 balance 15092, bet 1800, collected 4500, net +2700 [ Kc Jc ] [ a pair of kings -- Kc,Kd,Jc,Ts,8d ]
pilecki balance 13249, didn't bet (folded)
thepiper balance 14999, didn't bet (folded)
TaintedJack balance 7770, didn't bet (folded)
bobw630 balance 4732, didn't bet (folded)
leon6565 balance 1265, didn't bet (folded)
jamesblond balance 19730, didn't bet (folded)
SStol balance 3771, lost 300 (folded)
ckruel balance 2557, lost 600 (folded)

For detailed handhistory, click here

[J.R.]

Lord888 was getting 8.5 - 1 to call 600 more with 10k left in his/her stack if they call- why all-in abuse, if that's what happened here? I dunno, this doesn't look blatant to me, as there is little dis-incentive to not call only 600 more.

[MS Sunshine]

I agree. If I was a scum-sucking bottom dweller I would call and see the flop then decide what to do, but this guy, my first time seeing him, was a tight ag guy and maybe he thought all-ining now was best.

MS Sunshine

[Redhotman]

What evidence do you have that this is all-in abuse?
If a player is gonna 3 bet with KJo, they will likely call one more bet, dont you think?

stop acting like a second rate idiot...

[Phishy McFish]

I think his point is.....someone would want a larger RISK vs. the reward to use such a strategy....at least for you to claim abuse.

[MS Sunshine]

He wasn't the type to raise with KJs UTG+1. He was raising the short-stack who raised back. You're right I can't prove all-in. It seemed like a good spot, if you think like a tight guy, he never answered anything in chat, and never had another all-in problem(even the next hand).

It doesn't matter if a player shouldn't have all-ined due to strategy reasons, only did he.

MS Sunshine

[BradleyT]

If he's on Road Runner it was probably a legit disconnect. They've been having problems with their network across the nation all week. I've been disconnected over 6 times this week while playing.

Or maybe it was MyDoom [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Lori]

I think the replies you got are indicative of why people are allowed to just go on and on abusing the system.

If there were no system to abuse, as I know is your wish, then we wouldn't have to worry about any of this.

For the record, it looks like abuse to me.

Lori

[Lori]

Lord888 was getting 8.5 - 1 to call 600 more with 10k left in his/her stack if they call- why all-in abuse, if that's what happened here? I dunno, this doesn't look blatant to me, as there is little dis-incentive to not call only 600 more.


If he doesn't have to call the last bet, he is only actually getting evens for the 600 by calling.

He also cuts out the possibility of needing to make a decision on the flop.

As a stand-alone case, this example could be put down to as many ifs and maybes as you like, but if you ever watch a $100 or bigger at Party you will find that this kind of disconnect is frequent.

If you wish to understand MSS's point, watch the last five or so tables in the next $100+ at Party and count the disconnects, a spectacular %age happen in this type of scenario.



Lori

[MS Sunshine]

This is 4-1 favorite to have been abuse, but playing a jackful of tournaments you get to know when it's happening. The problem is that WE,add your reader's name here, don't take advanage of the systyem. That's right you can pull 5-10 less-obvious all-ins in Party tournaments before your all-ins MIGHT be restricted.

Party never goes back to the first players that are abused by an all-in abuser and compensates them.

When is this going to change?

Why must WE pay for Party's goodwill?

This was a $100 tournament. Why is Party letting cheaters take advanage of us?

MS Sunshine