UB bad beats

CubsWinIn04 · #1 01-19-2004, 09:51 PM

Am I the only one that wonders about the "Randomness" of hands at UltimateBet? I've been thinking about this for a while watching the stuff that happens in there, then the last sit and go I played prompted me to make this post. I just watched AA get cracked by A8 off, KK get run down KQoff, I had 10 10 vs an all in QJ off, Board was 8 9 J Q Q. I'm sure queries like this have been posted here before, sorry if it's just a repeat. Just wondering if anyone agree's with me about UB, or it happens everywhere online, or i'm just grumpy. Probably the latter. Anyway, thanks in advance

artman · #2 01-19-2004, 10:49 PM

I don't know about UB, but i know what you mean. I've had some bad beats myself at other online sites. But i decided to think that bad beats are more a part of the players that make bad calls thereby delivering you a bad beat, and not as much of the pokersites. I'm not sure though, but this way i can keep playing knowing/thinking that i'm not being cheated.

CubsWinIn04 · #3 01-19-2004, 11:01 PM

I try to think that way so I don't fall into that trap of playing crappy hands thinking the computer will bail me out. But man it's frustrating seeing it time and time again.

JDO · #4 01-19-2004, 11:40 PM

The biggest problem with bad beats is that they stick in your mind, you get paranoid and in the end question the way you play. It is very challanging to not let it happen. I don't know about the radomness of UB, they have a statement on the site somewhere.
BTW, your "bad beat" wasn't really a bad beat in my book. You were only a 55:45 favorite to his two over cards. He just hit three cards that beat you instead of just one.

PokerSlut · #5 01-19-2004, 11:49 PM

I don't have much personal experience with UB per se, but I have run into just as many bad beats this past weekend playing LIVE casino games. The simple fact is that bad beats happen, and bad runs happen. You just have to grit your teeth, think happy thoughts, and try not to go on tilt or get paranoid just because you caught a few bad beats.

Be sure to remember the players that sucked out on you; they'll likely be easy targets when your luck isn't so bad anymore.

CrisBrown · #6 01-19-2004, 11:54 PM

Hi Cubs,

I think you're just grumpy, but that's okay. I think the bad beat parade online is mostly a function of seeing so many hands, and the bad beats stick out in our minds.

Our brains are programmed for exception memory; as a rule we don't notice when things go the way we expected. This is an important survival mechanism. When things go as expected, we can shuffle them to the background. When our expectations are upended, we have to focus. Walk across a room and you'll probably ignore the sensation of the floor beneath your feet, unless a board starts to give way....

So when you drive to work, you don't notice the majority of drivers who drive "normally" (that is, behave approximately as you expect). You remember the maniac who cut you off.

And when you play poker, you remember the bad beats more vividly than the times when your hand held up as expected.

Cris

CubsWinIn04 · #7 01-20-2004, 07:43 PM

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BTW, your "bad beat" wasn't really a bad beat in my book. You were only a 55:45 favorite to his two over cards. He just hit three cards that beat you instead of just one.

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Oh I know it wasn't that bad. It was just so fishy after some of the other hands at that table that the flop had him ahead, then turn had me well ahead, then the river gives it back to him.

BogeyWan · #8 01-20-2004, 08:09 PM

If this post had been later, I'd think you were at my table.
I played in a $20 SNG last night at UB and ran down AA twice with lesser hands. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] One was very lucky, one was justified when the other guy really slowplayed and I made the hand on the turn.
Tell you what to do....
When you have a bad beat, get the hand history and go to http://www.twodimes.net/poker/
You enter the hands and it will tell you exactly what the odds were at a given stage in the hand. This is very helpful in a couple of very important ways. First, you get to see exactly what your odds are for any given hand so you can see if you were justified to be playing the hand the way you did and possibly correct some bad plays. Secondly, and this is the most important for me, it shows you that you made the correct play. When I get a particularly bad beat I'll go plug the hands in. If I see that I was a 90% favorite after the flop and someone sucks out on me, I can take solice that if I make the exact play 10 times, I'll win 9 of them. Psychologically, this is very good medicine. Especially for my fragile psyche.

CubsWinIn04 · #9 01-20-2004, 08:39 PM

I've used the calculator at cardplayer.com before, and your right it's very valuable. Thanks a lot for all the advice, great forum here, look forward to reading on.

BogeyWan · #10 01-20-2004, 09:26 PM

One other thought, and I think I read it either in one of Sklansky's books or in Super System, is that the good player will often be sucked out on and will very rarely suck out on someone else simply by virtue that the good player will be playing better hands and will be putting his money in only when he has the best of it.