Open-raising trash from the posted cut off (aka "one off the button")

[slavic]

I have the button on my Christmas list now. He was new to the table replacing a decent player before him.

I think the pre-flop raise is perfect. In the CO when it's up to you to open your either going to raise or fold. In this case you have no option to fold. Well you do but isn't that just a little too weak tight?

Unfortunatly the button cold called and the flop was just about as bad as it could come. Still heads up you have a pair and showdown equity.

[Mike Gallo]

Actually, I think there is. MG doesn't like it, nottom thinks it's fine -- opposite opinions already from two solid players.

Count me out. I made an error in my response. I think if you posted and all fold to you, go ahead and steal..I mean raise.

[Nottom]

I would have probably bet since you had a pair. Lots of players like to call flop bets and fold to turn bets.

[Bob T.]

I agree. It is possible that he called with an underpair, or that he had something like QT, JT, etc, and will fold for a big bet, but will take one off for a small bet.

I think the big clue, is what happened preflop. If this player is aware that you are going to raise with just about any cards from your position, he should probably three bet with a very wide variety of hands, including any Ace, and maybe any reasonable King. I don't think he has either of those, and one more bet might be enough to win the hand, and you might still be in the lead. I would bet, and then reassess after I see what happens.

[Bob T.]

I did not know much about any of them, but turned out that button was overall really aggressive (20% PFR). Had I known that I would not have tried the play.

He raises preflop 20% of the time, and he didn't on this hand? Now I REALLY like the turn bet.

[J.R.]

My "not much to say comment" was more in repsonse to the fact that you just posted a Party hand without mentioning the limit, the type/texture of the game, or any reads you had on the 3 remaining players. All I could say is that your bet is getting 3-1 on your steal, but that the big blind should call with a wide range of hands getting 4-1. If your opponents play well, this obviously becomes more marginal. Sorry if that comment was rude [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], I just didn't see much room for comment.

Many advocate always open-raising any 2 when folded to their late position post, but I still think that should not always be the case.

[slavic]

He wasn't a maniac he just had very loose preflop raising standard and liked to be a callingstation of you showed aggression.

[rharless]

Your comment wasn't rude. The ommission of the Party 5-10 label was my mistake. Couldn't say much about the texture/players as I hadn't been there long.

This play was a first for me, which is why I posted it. I guess it's more obvious/common than I thought. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[rharless]

Bob T, you win the hand reading trophy for this thread. Spot on. My pair of sixes beat his QTo. What a lovely free card I gave him!

(Note, at the time he cold called my PF raise and flop bet, I did not know he was a 20% PFR'er)