QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board

It would take a very strong read to put BOTH opponents on draws here. With that said, your other option leaves you looking like you are drawing against two pair. You have the Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so your Q 2 pair draw is good, 3 outs. I think it's safe to say that hitting your gutshot where the 10 is a heart is not a sure way to win.

They might very well already have a straight and you are drawing to 2 Ts.

Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs.

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Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs.

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Which is why I folded, I figured I had to be beat and the pot wasn't big enough to justify continuing with the hand.

Now that I've had some more time to think about the hand, I see that JT could be another likely hand for SB. If he would c/r 2-pair in this spot wouldn't he also c/r with TP OESD? Also given my read on SB as a TAG player and the fact that his play up to this point has been pretty straight foward. It's been about 30-ish hands or so. My gut tells me that he is more likely to bet out with 2-pair and slowplay a straight.

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Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs.

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Now that I've had some more time to think about the hand, I see that JT could be another likely hand for SB. If he would c/r 2-pair in this spot wouldn't he also c/r with TP OESD? Also given my read on SB as a TAG player and the fact that his play up to this point has been pretty straight foward. It's been about 30-ish hands or so. My gut tells me that he is more likely to bet out with 2-pair and slowplay a straight.

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Indeed JT is a possible hand, you are very right. My question is what is similiar between the two pair and the TP+OESD that would make him want to check that flop?(keep in mind there was no preflop aggression...he's not checking to the raiser here.)

Very interesting.

Did they show down?

My take on a 3 bet on the flop is that someone is generally protecting an overcard. If somebody had a straight, they -might- be protecting against the flush, but more than likely not.

BB could have anything, and SB probably has top pair or 2 pair. I wouldn't put him on a straight.

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Did they show down?

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SB showed down QJo, and BB had Tx.

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And just for fun: Your SB Tag read means very little after 30 hands

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True, but it's all I've got at this point, and with BB sticking around to play, I just couldn't see that I had the best hand at the moment. Obviously I was wrong, but had this been HU without BB, this would be an easy call down for me.