Chip Race Question

[Ignatius]

I think it is more fair to keep the SD low than to have 0 EV
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The real problem I have with nonzero EV methods is that they necessarily have an (albait small) impact on the game before the chip raise. Consider the blinds are 10-25 and about to increase to 25-50, you have 4 odds chips after posting your SB, there are some limpers but no raise. Now the decision whether to play that longshot offsuit one-gapper might very well depend on the procedure used for the chip raise. (The same holds true if you have one odd chip left after posting a 3 chip SB at 15-25, which might cause you to muck a hand you would otherwise play).
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One way to do this would be to remove the lowest 5-x cards when you give a chip to the player with x cards (assuming the new small chip equals 5 old small chips), though I expect to never see this.
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Could you elaborate on that? I would be nice to have a fair (i.e. zero-EV) and practical way to do the chip race which fits the "one chip to a player" restriction!

[Bozeman]

Oops, this is what I get for posting in the morning.
I didn't account for the non-independence of events when I thought I had a reasonable sol'n, it doesn't work.

If you divide it into separate matches where each match has 5 total chips, then it works, but you can't do it with everyone competing together. Also, in this case you'd have people arguing over whether the way of grouping is fair (and also problems when there are not a multiple of 5 odd chips).

I also don't like when proper poker play depends on the chip race, but because of variance and tourney nonlinearities of chip value, there are problems of this type with the 0 CEV sol'ns. In addition, it would be ideal to minimize the effect the chip race has on the tourney, since we would like to have tourneys decided 100% by poker.

For these reasons, I think the current method is good.

Another solution would be to have the chip denominations multiples of 2 so that each chip race only involves players with one odd chip.

We could also roll a 5 sided dice for each player.

Ugh,
Craig