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12-21-2005, 09:17 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
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I was out of town for awhile. Anyway Wesly Clark the point man for the DNC? Too funny. [/ QUOTE ] Please. You have posted that "democrats" have no plan". That is false and untenable, and so now you are trying to retreat into saying the "DNC" has no plan. That's sad. When people out-of-power want to advance plans, they do so in op-eds and through think-tanks. See, for example, here and here. Why not just man up and admit that you are wrong? I look forward to your ingnoring this post and these plans as you did my post two threads ago. And I look forward to your bi-monthly false "democrats have no plan" post in another two weeks or so. 
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12-21-2005, 09:24 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
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[ QUOTE ] I was out of town for awhile. Anyway Wesly Clark the point man for the DNC? Too funny. [/ QUOTE ] Please. You have posted that "democrats" have no plan". That is false and untenable, and so now you are trying to retreat into saying the "DNC" has no plan. That's sad. When people out-of-power want to advance plans, they do so in op-eds and through think-tanks. See, for example, here and here. Why not just man up and admit that you are wrong? I look forward to your ingnoring this post and these plans as you did my post two threads ago. And I look forward to your bi-monthly false "democrats have no plan" post in another two weeks or so. [/ QUOTE ] Wesley Clark is not an elected Democratic official. If you have to stoop to quoting plans from private citizens who happen to be Democrats, you have just proved the point that no one of the few hundred elected federal office holders of the Democratic Party seems to have a plan. The statement "Democrats do not have a plan" is more true than not. And they certainly do not have a plan that they agree to as a party.
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12-21-2005, 09:30 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
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Wesley Clark is not an elected Democratic official. If you have to stoop to quoting plans from private citizens who happen to be Democrats, you have just proved the point that no one of the few hundred elected federal office holders of the Democratic Party seems to have a plan. [/ QUOTE ] I am a private citizen that happens to be a Democrat. Wes Clark and the folks at Brookings and CAP most decidely are not just that. But if adios concedes that his original statement that "democrats" don't have a plan was wrong and wants to rephrase it along the lines that you are suggesting, we will proceed from there. BTW, I want to make sure that you see this thread. Bush lied, right?
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12-21-2005, 09:41 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
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[ QUOTE ] BTW, I want to make sure that you see this thread. Bush lied, right? [/ QUOTE ] Hasn't been proven at all. [/ QUOTE ] Um, have you read the thread? Have you been paying attention at all? I look forward to your post in the other thread explaining how the quoted statement was not a lie.
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12-21-2005, 09:45 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
When talking about a party's plan, it is obvious that we are talking about elected democrats in high office. I mean any fool can change their registration to Democrat as a private citizen. If I changed my registration to Democrat, would you accept my plan as the "Democrat's Plan"? If yes, I may just do that. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
btw, the out of context quote of Bush is not a lie, it is an attempt to stretch an unrelated quote into a different context than it was stated in. If today I say "It is Cold", and someone comes along next July and says "B&P lies, he said it is cold but it is 95 degrees outside", does that make me a liar?
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12-21-2005, 09:49 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
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When talking about a party's plan, it is obvious that we are talking about elected democrats in high office. I mean any fool can change their registration to Democrat as a private citizen. If I changed my registration to Democrat, would you accept my plan as the "Democrat's Plan"? If yes, I may just do that. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] btw, the out of context quote of Bush is not a lie, it is an attempt to stretch an unrelated quote into a different context than it was stated in. [/ QUOTE ] The irony of you making these two arguments in one post almost made me laugh out loud. Let's take the second one to the original thread, where I look forward to your explaining yourself. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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12-21-2005, 11:39 AM
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Re: Bush\'s Support Jumps After a Long Decline
Elliot...
I'm in full agreement with you that Bush is looking like he lied and was not forthcoming on this wiretapping issue. I do think that it is suspect that he never went to the FISA court even after the fact which the law allows. ..with that being said... The Democratic Party does not have a plan for Iraw or the GWOT. If they do it isn't very clear, feasible, very agreed upon or they are doing a poor job getting the message out. Don't be disengenuous like Bush on this matter. It is a real weakness on the part of the Dems. They need to man up and come up with a coherent plan. Hammer away at this wiretapping thing... It has real traction. Bush is looking pretty poor in my eyes about this. And don't start bringing in stupid conspiracy theories about Bush listening in on Kerry. It really is a distraction and outlandish and hurts your case. -Gryph PS: Still wouldn't have voted for Kerry...
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12-21-2005, 12:10 PM
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The Democratic Party does not have a plan for Iraw or the GWOT. If they do it isn't very clear, feasible, very agreed upon or they are doing a poor job getting the message out. [/ QUOTE ] I will agree that there is not a single plan or even a reasonable harmonization of multiple plans that can be presented to the public as a single, coherent plan. But that is an unfair standard, in our system, to which to hold a party on this kind of issue. The truth is that there is as much disagreement on the right about what the administration is doing as there is on the left. But the president is actually in power so his is the only right-wing "plan", such as it is, that matters. Similarly, when the presidential race starts in 2008, then the "democratic" plan will emerge, Until then, there is no need for a single plan. It is sufficient to attempt to influence the administration to make its "plan" better.
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