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Re: 5-5 No Limit Deep stack hand
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Also, does anyone think that the $800 turn bet is a mistake? [/ QUOTE ] I agree that a pottish sized bet would be better and it would make the rest of the hand play easier. The more i think about this hand the more i think it comes down to whether or not villian will call an allin with a smaller set. If he will, push. If not, i think it's probably worth risking a scary river card and calling the turn. |
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Re: 5-5 No Limit Deep stack hand
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The more i think about this hand the more i think it comes down to whether or not villian will call an allin with a smaller set. [/ QUOTE ] What kind of player would call two raises with a crappy one-gapper in one scenario, and then lay down a set on a board that he's gotta think he's dominating in another? I think the reason this doesn't add up is because we don't have enough info about this actual player. Just me thinking "hey, MOST people don't make those calls preflop with a one-gapper," and you thinking "many people WILL make that preflop call in that f'ed up Foxwoods game, and many others will lay down a set in this situation" is only confusing the issue. I completely agree that this hand is all about reads. I would be suprised if anyone can offer a definitive line here without better info. BTW Aggie, I thought that 5/5 game was wicked soft. Is this not true? I've only played at Foxwwods once in the last year or so. I didn't play 5/5, but I can say with a certainly that the 2/5 players were AWFUL. |
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Re: 5-5 No Limit Deep stack hand
marlow plz stop posting...
this is an intersting hand and your analysis is sucking up this thread. |
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marlow plz stop posting... this is an intersting hand and your analysis is sucking up this thread. [/ QUOTE ] God, you really are the biggest jerk on 2+2 aren't you? If you have something constructive to add, then I suggest you do that. Otherwise, us lowly mid-limit players are here to learn and will continue to do whatever it is we feel we need to do so. So if you don't like my questions and comments, I suggest you either a) set your preferences so that you are ignoring my posts; b) offer some kind of actual ANALYSIS for once; or c) find another [censored] hobby. |
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Re: 5-5 No Limit Deep stack hand
I definitely don't like pushing. I don't know what some of you guys are saying as far as "charging the flush draw"--a naked flush draw isn't going to call a push, and any draw that will call your push has odds anyway (straight/flush draw). I think a straight is very likely (97) due to the flop action. This looks like a call for sure. The river is going to be very tough without a board pair. Call, spike the case T, and stack him.
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I think I may have overthought this hand (or I just need to trust my instincts more) because I felt that he had a straight (probably with 9-7), but I couldn't shake the feeling that he could easily play an underset or two pair the same way, and that there were many more possible combinations for those hands than suited 9-7's or 7-5's. I was not really afraid of a flush draw at this point, unless it was with an already made straight, because I didn't think he would make that play without at least two pair made.
I pushed on two notions: 1) that he would pay off with undersets and maybe two pair, and that I had better outs against a straight than he would against my set 2) i was committed to getting all my money in, so I might as well make sure that no river card could kill the action. Anyway, he instacalled and flipped over 9-7, and the river came the fourth 10. |
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Re: 5-5 No Limit Deep stack hand
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What kind of player would call two raises with a crappy one-gapper in one scenario, and then lay down a set on a board that he's gotta think he's dominating in another? [/ QUOTE ] Me...I have many times in that exact game gotten $150 in the pot pre-flop with a suited 1-gap. I've also layed down undersets many times. This game plays extremely different from typical online 100bb stack games. With 1500BB stacks, you can play almost anything preflop if the game is right [ QUOTE ] Just me thinking "hey, MOST people don't make those calls preflop with a one-gapper," and you thinking "many people WILL make that preflop call in that f'ed up Foxwoods game, and many others will lay down a set in this situation" is only confusing the issue. [/ QUOTE ] Okay let me change it up a bit. Many VERY GOOD players WILL make that preflop call in that game (although perhaps not on a regular basis [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) [ QUOTE ] BTW Aggie, I thought that 5/5 game was wicked soft. Is this not true? I've only played at Foxwwods once in the last year or so. [/ QUOTE ] the game is soft on fridays and the weekends as a good rule of thumb. The game varies drasically during the week and can be extremely tough at times. There are almost always some good players lurking around [ QUOTE ] I didn't play 5/5, but I can say with a certainly that the 2/5 players were AWFUL. [/ QUOTE ] Yup [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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