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Old 12-16-2005, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.

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He's given you a free card on the flop, I'd take it. The rest of the hand plays itself.

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You'll be bluffed on the turn often and won't know where you stand. You may also have the best hand and giving him a free card when a FD is on the flop sucks.

hes got about 4-5 outs i think this is fine play and i'd not change a thing.

if someone puts up a good arguement it'll be good though as maybe i misplay this too...

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This is just a bad flop for queens, especially w/ all the action p/f. The hero kept the lead w/ his cap which is standard, why would villion want to take the lead away by donking on the flop? Unless it is to set up an elaborate bluff his flop c/r fits with the way a monster would be played.

So monster makes the most sense to me so I take the free card on the flop. I really don't care if I get bluffed from time to time. I'm okay with being bluffable, at least I'm not spraying chips when way behind like so many unbluffable players.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.

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He's given you a free card on the flop, I'd take it. The rest of the hand plays itself.

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You'll be bluffed on the turn often and won't know where you stand. You may also have the best hand and giving him a free card when a FD is on the flop sucks.

hes got about 4-5 outs i think this is fine play and i'd not change a thing.

if someone puts up a good arguement it'll be good though as maybe i misplay this too...

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This is just a bad flop for queens, especially w/ all the action p/f. The hero kept the lead w/ his cap which is standard, why would villion want to take the lead away by donking on the flop? Unless it is to set up an elaborate bluff his flop c/r fits with the way a monster would be played.

So monster makes the most sense to me so I take the free card on the flop. I really don't care if I get bluffed from time to time. I'm okay with being bluffable, at least I'm not spraying chips when way behind like so many unbluffable players.

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So you're saying you take a free card every time on a AKx flop with QQ?

I bet if the OP cut the action off the flop you'd be thinking differently. If not thats very weak.

SB can easily have JJ/TT/99 - its 6max, not full ring.

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Old 12-16-2005, 10:50 PM
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Default Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.

I didn't say anything about "every time" in my reply, just this case. If I didn't get the chance to cap it p/f then it would be different.
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